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One question is big enough for me to be able to forget about the inconcistensies science has to offer at the moment: Where did God come from?

Well we must ask ourselfs one question: From where did anything on the start came? What was first: An egg or a hen?

Iggy wrote:Well we must ask ourselfs one question: From where did anything on the start came? What was first: An egg or a hen?

This is already known, we all know the egg came first. There was a bird who looked similar like a chicken/hen and that bird laid an egg. Out of that egg came the first chicken/hen.

for one there has to be a god i mean how is it just there you know? i dont believe in dinosourse though, lol but i mean we have space it NEVER ends, never we have other plantes. and "God" its just a name to call one for confort or anything he is real. if he isnt would someone please explain to me how we are just here? and there is animals? and seas? and ect? and please dont make it a lame explanation. like chiemacals, or anything i wanna hear what you think to how we are just here and there is a endl;ess space ect.

We used to view the universe as endless...but don't you know that recent studies say that the universe is expanding...if the universe is expanding...then there is a border that needs to be expand.

And to someone that is asking where did God come from...that's what we're trying to say! No one created him. He's the first...the alpha.

Well, to start off space is not endless
It's expanding at some rate, and (the main) theories differ from whether it will continue forever, 'stretch' the known universe and rip it apart at some point, or whether it will start retracting back. Or something like that.

Second, there still does not have to be a god.

I hope you're joking about the dinosaurs.

What do you mean 'never we have other planets'? You mean inhabited planets, or planets in general? Either way, the universe is so vast, the probabilities for life existing outside the Earth are immense.

You say God may be just a name to call for comfort, but then you continue to 'prove' he exists. Which is it?

How we are here? Chemicals
If I remember correctly, a theory was that as the earth was cooling down and the magma on it's surface began to cool down, the steam in the atmosphere condensed and it rained like, excuse the expression, hell. The oceans were formed from the vast amount of rain, and the hard surface of the earth prevented it from permeating through the ground. Oceans! Then, I have to say it, chemicals started to react with each other, and formed new compunds. At some point, this joining up formed simple structures like rna, that could duplicate itself, ie. mitosis. They started to divide, formed up and in time you have algae, and then in turn creatures 'evolutionized', and started using the algae to make energy for them divide ('eating' them) - the algae of course made it's energy from sunshine. And so you have a food chain forming up, and the result so far is the current world. It will change, perhaps some day humans will make way for more sophisticated, or just more hungry animals. Of course, the way it's going, the world will be inhabitable by then..

That is simplified, recited from memory, so there may be some mistakes, but the general idea is there.

You will find that there is a theory for everything as far back as the big bang. Beyond that, it really is a mystery, but you have a choice of believing in science that is modern and filled with answers, or watch some ancient german guy say 'condoms are the spawn of satan, thee shall burn in the fires of hell for all eternity' etc.
Okay, a pretty biased example but it puts my point across.

And as for god being alpha, what was before God. It is the same question as the big bang question, what was before. I could say the big bang was always there, and you would scoff. You say God was always there, and I scoff. How is God 'first' then? Why isn't Gene Simmons 'first'?
/shudder

i didnt say gods name was just a confort and went to him being there, forreal. other replies said people just used the name god as a confort, but no he is there. he has to be.you have explained to a exstent on the waters and earth, now explain to me how humans was formed? please?

Ah right, understood.

Aw, come on, I ain't a geo- and biologist
Hehe, humans then.. Well.
Once this miniature food chain was in place, the creatures started to get bigger as more food was being available and these creatures wanted to be at the top of the food chain. As this progressed, different features started to emerge that made things more adept at killing. Eyes, gills, and muscles were made and put to use, fish appeared, they progressed onto land, then you have marsupials, reptiles, dinosaurs, apes and humans. Humans were the evolutionary result of the brains of certain apes becoming larger, starting to walk on two feet to free up the hands, simple tools were used to stay alive. Using clothes, fur was obsolete and for practical reasons the features of the body were changed (skull, pelvis).

That's the jist of it. The question is a vast one, and many professors would hesitate to answer as you're practically asking for the story of the progress of all life on earth, 'culminating' on humans.
But if you ask me, the answer is better than having been formed from dust, or clay, whichever would be preferred by God.


Off the current topic, I've said it before and I'll repeat - There are people who believe in God and people who don't. It's very difficult ot get them to change their opinion, as it's most likely hard-wired into your brain from the way you were taught.
For example, if you, teng, were born into a Hindu family, would you not be a Hindu?

tenguage12 wrote:for one there has to be a god i mean how is it just there you know? i dont believe in dinosourse though, lol but i mean we have space it NEVER ends, never we have other plantes. and "God" its just a name to call one for confort or anything he is real. if he isnt would someone please explain to me how we are just here? and there is animals? and seas? and ect? and please dont make it a lame explanation. like chiemacals, or anything i wanna hear what you think to how we are just here and there is a endl;ess space ect.

Why must there be a God? You offer no argument to support this. In short, this is the exact same as saying "there must be dragons, gnomes, elves, mermen ... because (some arbitrary reason)," only in this case you neglect even the trivial reason.

Also confusing is your assertion than you don't believe in dinosaurs; there is hard evidence that dinosaurs existed, but none that God exists(ed).

How are we here? Evolution has pretty much been established to have done that.

TheFreeDictionary.com wrote:lame adj.
3. Weak and ineffectual; unsatisfactory
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=lame

Don't piss about us offering "lame explanations" of Science when they're 1) very concrete and supported by the evidence that's available, and 2) you offer no explanation of your idea. Indeed, your support is the "lamest" I have ever heard.

rodoabad wrote:And to someone that is asking where did God come from...that's what we're trying to say! No one created him. He's the first...the alpha.

If I may point out the flaw in this argument (and I'm going to do it even if you don't want me to), it's the obvious bullshit distinction you're making here between God and ... whatever else.

The argument goes that "you are a result of some other thing (parents), those are a result of other things (their parents) ... and we cycle back to the Big Bang theory, but where did all that junk come from? Therefore, God exists to make it," yet it completely ignores where God came from, giving some extremely pathetic "he just does" response.

Like rodoabad says, God is "the alpha," i.e. he was "just there" and needed nothing to "create" him. Strangely enough though, according to this argument, though a fully-formed, superpowerful Being could come into Existence by Itself, a bunch of very simpler particles could not.

If one type of matter (God) can create itself (or is "just there"), why cannot another?

The Big Bang? Who actually believes that? You know what's funny? These scientists can think of all matter coming out of a single tiny particle that blew up, but they can't think of a better name then "The Big Bang"? Something's warped, and it's the whole theory. That's just stupid.

SgtSlaughter wrote:The Big Bang? Who actually believes that? You know what's funny? These scientists can think of all matter coming out of a single tiny particle that blew up, but they can't think of a better name then "The Big Bang"? Something's warped, and it's the whole theory. That's just stupid.

It was funny when I read it in Calvin and Hobbes.
What do you suggest then? All you're saying is the theory is warped and stupid, yet you don't offer any argument to support the statement , nor do you offer an alternate solution to the question.
I'll take you seriously when you say something that resembles an intelligent response.

Now Now Samppa you must have an answer for everything eh? lol, c'mon we didnt fourm from any apes k?if you want to go into that study try reading about what types of apes Sientist believe we fourmed from before saying that. because there are tons of apes and if we fourmed from the kind where there are still those apes why aint they fourming? what they just stoped after that foumred into so many humans? like they had it ALL planed out or something? i man sintist will come uo with anything to make it seem fact its there job, don't believe everything you read =\, and to the dinosures, seriously if the dinosuires was the first to walk the earth how in the eack did all those giant thngs "fourm" to what living thngs we have now? I'm sorry but im sticking to believing there is a god.

And I respect your faith, I wish you'd do the same and not ridicule science.

I do not have an answer for everything, but if you're going to post a statement like sgt did, I expect some sort of explanation as to why you're posting that, otherwise it holds no credit and is only a worthless opinion with no basis - not great in a discussion.


The thing is, the forming of different creatures doesn't happen overnight, nor does it happen to everyone. Say a mutation happened in some apes living in a certain area which then started off the forming of humans, of course it wouldn't apply to every ape. Besides, evolution has no goal, it just happens in order to become a more efficient creature adapted to its current environment.

Scientists do not make up crap because it's their job.

Dinosaurs were by no means the first to walk the earth.
And nothing formed from dinosaurs, because they became extinct.
Besides, what do you think the dinosaurs in museums are? Scientists playing a practical joke?


You're placing too much emphasis on the fact I'm not educated deeply in the matters, and coming to the conclusion that no-one is. You obviously have no knowledge in the matters of science, so why do you disregard them as crap?

Now I've presented my case the best I can, yet I still have no answers to my questions. How about an answer to where did god come from? And more importantly, why did he create us, why is he letting the world go in the direction it's going in, and why is he not showing himself?

you kinda made my point to what i was getting at if dinosuires was the first or not, they where excstct everything died so how is there what there is today sence everything died EVERYTHING in the ice age? can you explain that? sorry is my postsing aint what you like im just saying what i think and i do respect your belifs i was just saying after the dureing the Ice Age everything died in the waters land etc. so how did 1 or apes for that matter servive to be able to evolve into what we are today? or the other type of anilms to evolve to what they are now?

SgtSlaughter wrote:The Big Bang? Who actually believes that? You know what's funny? These scientists can think of all matter coming out of a single tiny particle that blew up, but they can't think of a better name then "The Big Bang"? Something's warped, and it's the whole theory. That's just stupid.

My only response is that you are a fool. There is no other explanation for it.

"Scientific Theory" has been explained here in earlier posts, so I'm going to assume you either skipped them or are willfully ignoring what it's about.

Science is about taking an idea and testing it. If the test supports your idea, you run more tests, trying to eliminate your idea (or part of it) until your idea is supported by the data.

What you have done is taken a ton of good work by intelligent individuals and cast it aside with a simple "it cannot be because my mind will not accept this."

Don't forget, this is the exactly identical as what happened when Columbus didn't sail off the "side of the world," or the "three planes are not worthy to call an air raid alarm" that happened in Hirshoma and Nagasaki.

tenguage12 wrote:lol, c'mon we didnt fourm from any apes k?if you want to go into that study try reading about what types of apes Sientist believe we fourmed from before saying that. because there are tons of apes and if we fourmed from the kind where there are still those apes why aint they fourming? what they just stoped after that foumred into so many humans? like they had it ALL planed out or something?

Again, why so sure? Likewise, while telling him to offer you proof of the beings we evolved from, why don't you offer proof of God (which is where your idea says we came from).

Also, he didn't imply that evolution is specific only to humans, nor did he imply that the "parent species" is still around (it would more sense if they were not still around because the better-adapted species may have indirectly killed them all. Then the next better-adapted species killed them, etc ...) Evolution applies to all species: whales, sharks, and bird.

tenguage12 wrote:i man sintist will come uo with anything to make it seem fact its there job, don't believe everything you read =\, and to the dinosures, seriously if the dinosuires was the first to walk the earth how in the eack did all those giant thngs "fourm" to what living thngs we have now? I'm sorry but im sticking to believing there is a god.

On the one hand, some do, but most (meaning the other 99.999% of them) don't. "Don't believe everything you read"?! I hope you realize the extremely damning irony and inconsistency you raise with this statement you've been trained to spew forth--you're believing the writings of old dead guys describing phenomena that they just arbitrarily assign as the work of God! What experiments did they do to make certain that it was God and not a random delusion from sunstroke?

tenguage12 wrote:you kinda made my point to what i was getting at if dinosuires was the first or not, they where excstct everything died so how is there what there is today sence everything died EVERYTHING in the ice age? can you explain that? sorry is my postsing aint what you like im just saying what i think and i do respect your belifs i was just saying after the dureing the Ice Age everything died in the waters land etc. so how did 1 or apes for that matter servive to be able to evolve into what we are today? or the other type of anilms to evolve to what they are now?

Not everything died in the Ice Age. Most did, but some did survive (thanks for the link btw!).