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roogog wrote:damn have you seen them aswell..thought it was only me

Yeah, they always fscking steal my damn cheerios.

To start something you have to make some assumptions.
and "god exists" is my assumption. It works well with the everyday life and science. However if you suppose that god does not exist , after some reasoning steps you get stuck. (for example what caused the bigbang?) So i think it is better to believe than damaging your brain

I damage my brain everytime I ask myself what caused god.

Samppa wrote:I damage my brain everytime I ask myself what caused god.

God was always there silly! I don't see how people could say the bigbang was always 'there' aswell.

good point sampaa. Someone who believes in god and disputes the BB theory by saying what came before, or what caused the BB, has the right to ask such questions. We can give them no answer that would satisfy them.
Just as someone who does not believe in God can ask what came before god, who made god. Again there can be no answer that can truly satisfy.

These are chicken and egg questions.
Q What made the BB happen
A God
Q Who created god
A errr...

roogog wrote:good point sampaa. Someone who believes in god and disputes the BB theory by saying what came before, or what caused the BB, has the right to ask such questions. We can give them no answer that would satisfy them.
Just as someone who does not believe in God can ask what came before god, who made god. Again there can be no answer that can truly satisfy.

Yep, and that's the issue with discussion between both sides. Inadvertantly there will ALWAYS be a point where we do not know of the physical laws, time, or space. And so it's ultimately left to oneself to determine what they think is more probable.

roogog wrote:Q What made the BB happen
A God
Q Who created god
A errr...

by god we refer to the final point
eg:
Q Who created god
A god.
but you can also think this way
Q What made the BB happen
A BB
possible
"we live on assumptions..."

exactly rgos.
Assumptions some of which may be explained, proved, dis-proved in time. Some of which, as nighthawk says, may never be truly understood.

It comes down to belief. To me belief in God is a way of life, set of values, way of explaining the world to one person. Belief in Science is the way to do such for another. One is not any better or worse than the other. They are just two (of many) different ways an individual uses to make sense, to represent, the environment he/she exists in.

well , i'm from a muslim family. My father is very against with other religons.
but i see no diff between muslims n buddist even others .. in this i can say .. god doesnt exist .. its just name.

womack wrote:well , i'm from a muslim family. My father is very against with other religons.
but i see no diff between muslims n buddist even others .. in this i can say .. god doesnt exist .. its just name.

no offence meant to you or your family but that is, IMO, the main problem with religious people - not religion itself, but the followers of one particular belief system or another.
In one word intolerence.

Well for starters I'm an atheist so I don't believe in anything, but noone can really say that god exists,partly becouse noone has seen him and it's a mith a made up character in the bibble. I've gone to church a couple of times when I was young but i've decided to don't have a faith becouse it's just some stories and nothing more, it might be true but who in the modern world would know that? Sure you've seen people on TV's saying they saw Jesus and people with stigmata sings but how do you really know that is also true? I mean I can call a TV station and talk about how Jesus saved me and then Virgin Marry brought me tea it's as simple as that.

There's also a couple of dissagreeings, for example the bibble states that hell is a dark red place with flames and satan and lucifer are the masters of it, though some people say that it's actually a cold place like on antarctica, we will just never know.

I'm always currios though what will happen after I die? Will be the same as the story? I'll end up in heaven with beautiful ladies or in hell chained to a post? Onyl then will I believe in such things, but the problem is that IF it's real i'm gonna be able to tell the world the truth.

Greets.

I think that there cannot be a god but i am actually for churches/temples/...

With the exception of the donations to the church (a profit organization that is taxed) it is all good stuff. Religion teaches morals and encourages people to do charity etc. Then there is the support that a church has for deaths and other similar events. Religion helps people deal with things.

For me I have many reasons to think that there is no god. And the benefits that a church provides to a society i feel are unneeded. I have morals (of some form). I do volunteer work although being part of a church would make this easier. When a person dies for me it sucks. I have to live with the 'fact' that the person is not off in heaven (or hell...) and that they are just dead. Things like that hit me harder. But overall is it better to believe or not to belive (taking the validity of a god out of the picture)? It probably is better to believe as it may make you a marginaly better person. Then again there are alot of killers who were highly religious...

A debate i always have with my sister.

too start out, i am christian...

roogog wrote:These are chicken and egg questions.
Q What made the BB happen
A God
Q Who created god
A errr...

i don't think it works that way, imagine god as a being in a different set of dimension, he doesn't experience time,therefore he doesn't have begining or end, does that make sense?

another argument, no one has ever seen god, i actually know some people who did, of course this cannot be proven, but i just want to mention it
it is just like "have you seen the wind? I've seen the effects of then wind, but i have never seen the wind"

and then, what is about these guys who heal thousands of people, are they just making stuff up?

There's also a couple of dissagreeings, for example the bibble states that hell is a dark red place with flames and satan and lucifer are the masters of it, though some people say that it's actually a cold place like on antarctica, we will just never know.

and again, hell is not a physical 3D place, just imagine a place fo constand discomfort, a place of fear, that can mean different stuff to different people (i am not trying to scare you here )

The universe is probably multiple-dimensioned, so there's another argument that can be turned around to suit the Big Bang theory.

See God? How they know it was God?

Healing thousands of people? Who? Where?

moonrock7 wrote:I think that there cannot be a god but i am actually for churches/temples/...

With the exception of the donations to the church (a profit organization that is taxed) it is all good stuff. Religion teaches morals and encourages people to do charity etc. Then there is the support that a church has for deaths and other similar events. Religion helps people deal with things.

Yeah, but for all the good religion does, I think, globally, it does way more evil. Just as people can use religion to strengthen morals and integrity, people can use religion to gain power and deceive. I think people need to concentrate less on having faith in something they can't see to having faith in humanity. If we all focused our love on each other, instead of some god or some church, we'd all be better off.