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yeah i agree with u.. i believe everyone of us is god.. juz tat we need to determine our own life..

Pretty loose meaning of the word 'god', conservatively god would mean an all-powerful supernatural being

zapad wrote:Who believes in God ?
I don't believe

Me too

Ummm... God exists. That is all. >_<

Not worthy to be it's own discussion - but none the less... It takes some unction to say for sure one way or the other. But it takes even more to affirm that God "for sure" does not exist - as though it could be proven.

i only believe what i can see or feel

xandith wrote:i only believe what i can see or feel

So all the small stuff is out for you....no molecules, atoms...etc? Course...if you did you'd have to rely on the authority of someone else -who has said they actually have seen them.

nokompranos wrote:

xandith wrote:i only believe what i can see or feel

So all the small stuff is out for you....no molecules, atoms...etc? Course...if you did you'd have to rely on the authority of someone else -who has said they actually have seen them.

Getting a bit technical there, altough xandith's statement is flawed in that sense.

Of course, quoth The Matrix "The senses are just electrical signals interpreted by your brain -- ", or along those lines, so you can't really be sure what you're seeing is real.

For me,
God is what is. you, me, next door neighbour, the big rock in front of my house, earth, the universe. The important thing is to recognise the link that runs through all and be self-aware of this link.
my 2cents.

dama wrote:For me,
God is what is. you, me, next door neighbour, the big rock in front of my house, earth, the universe. The important thing is to recognise the link that runs through all and be self-aware of this link.
my 2cents.

My problem with this approach is that it is hard to take seriously. If God is all things then God is nothing. It the the ole' ying/yang problem. God is both evil and good? Besides, it's self defeating. God (if we mean anything like an all powerful God) cannot be pure contradiction. God cannot be both creation and the maker of - it hurts my head to even think this way. If the Gaia folks are right then no one can say anything meaningful about it..because there is no way to make comparisons if all is God. Just like the fish has no way of knowing what wettness is.

nokompranos wrote:It the the ole' ying/yang problem. God is both evil and good? Besides, it's self defeating. God (if we mean anything like an all powerful God) cannot be pure contradiction. God cannot be both creation and the maker of - it hurts my head to even think this way.

Problem? Yin and yang are not absolutely opposite, they are relatively opposite. "No one thing is completely yin or completely yang. Each contains the seed of its opposite. For example, winter can turn into summer; "what goes up must come down"."


See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_yang



But when a fish, were it able to 'understand' anything, jumps out of the water, would it momentarily feel the dryness of the air? When it returns into the water, would it not embrace the wet around it?

Hmm very nice topic, i've just seen it.
Actually I believe in god and i often prayer him, but only for important thinks like for healthy for all my friends and relatives etc.And I really think that he is real and he lives somewhere and help us living, and he often rewards or punish us ...

I do not believe in God.
I just don't
People ask me "why?" It's like asking why you love, or something.
Well I do sorta know why.. I'm just getting myself confused her.e.. Bottom line: I don't believe.

nokompranos wrote:

dama wrote:For me,
God is what is. you, me, next door neighbour, the big rock in front of my house, earth, the universe. The important thing is to recognise the link that runs through all and be self-aware of this link.
my 2cents.

My problem with this approach is that it is hard to take seriously. If God is all things then God is nothing. It the the ole' ying/yang problem. God is both evil and good? Besides, it's self defeating. God (if we mean anything like an all powerful God) cannot be pure contradiction. God cannot be both creation and the maker of - it hurts my head to even think this way. If the Gaia folks are right then no one can say anything meaningful about it..because there is no way to make comparisons if all is God. Just like the fish has no way of knowing what wettness is.

well, "God is what is" for me just implies the force of existence that is within each and everything. Each and every thing is a manifestation of that God/Force/Link/Spirit. That's why I sort of stressed on being aware of this link among us. ^^.
Thinking of it as God being the maker and creation is not quite the way I think about it. You're taking it in a straight forward / literal manner when you said that. For me, sometimes I see the link among things around me and thus see God through his creations. "Just like fish has no way of knowing what wetness is" <<< exactly, when we are not aware of this Link/Force/.... between each of our self - the small universise and the rest - the Bigger Universe that is God (including the material universe, all things included ^^). The fish needs water to live, just like us needing that link in order to be in existence.
For God there is no evil nor good. Evil and good are human concepts that are a product of our language/culture/growing. They are part of how we see and categorize the world, so to say God is evil and good is to humanize God and give that entity a sticker that says EVIL / GOOD. It doesn't make sense to me to say God is evil or good. It is us who are limited in our vision/awareness/knowledge of the Geat Spirit that is God and thus give him those characters.
Well, enough rambling on my part. I hope it makes sense and hope you can understand my personal version of God.

Samppa wrote:Problem? Yin and yang are not absolutely opposite, they are relatively opposite. "No one thing is completely yin or completely yang. Each contains the seed of its opposite. For example, winter can turn into summer; "what goes up must come down"."

in other words, "God is both evil and good" being a contradiction does not apply at all. Evil and Good are just two parts of a concept that human created to denote things, just like yin and yang as two opposite things. They are both one - Tao - which is indescribeble. Yin and yang are just our ways to think about it.