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Just because we can't explain something doesn't mean you should turn to some omnipotent power to fill the gaps. Science is progressing fast, and more theories are appearing for how the universe could have started.

Beliving in god isnt rational in the slightest, I just can't understand it. Do you notice how quick people who belive in god are to shun the flying spaghetti monster theorum? It has just as much evidence (note, the bible is NOT evidence) and chiristianity or any other religion.

If god does exist, we could assume Satan does too, I'd pick his side over god's anyday. Is the stories are true, god is one hell of a motherfucker.

Willyham wrote:If god does exist, we could assume Satan does too, I'd pick his side over god's anyday. Is the stories are true, god is one hell of a motherfucker.

False, christian religion does not belive in satan, and hell is just a place for people who do not belong to heaven. In reality (forget already that word), hell is just death as scientist imagine it, you just don't exist as a spirit, you can't breath, feel, think nor even piss.
And from the priest words who learned it to me, heaven is a sort of life after life, the life we would have if adam and eve would have not ate that apple!
All theses believes you have, comes from the middle ages when church was creating all theses stories to frighten people with witches and lot of things like.


I'm not saying all of that is true, personnaly I don't believe it, nor any other religion : most humans just need to believe in something in my opinion. The god himself, does exist, but only in people minds who believe in him. For me, religion is only a way of keeping some people from doing bad things, by making a strong community. Sort of states act to regroup people in their territories.
Can't really explain, my english is really bad, and too, it's an hard subject depending on everybody's mind.


If there were any god, I would be his son

From what I have learned during my short life about what Christians believe:
@Wiz

False, christian religion does not belive in satan, and hell is just a place for people who do not belong to heaven.

You are wrong. Christians do believe in Satan. Secondly, hell is not just a place for people who do not belong in heaven. Everyone belongs in heaven, it is just a matter of accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour.

In reality (forget already that word), hell is just death as scientist imagine it, you just don't exist as a spirit, you can't breath, feel, think nor even piss.

According to who? Please explain to me how a scientist would know anything about what hell really is like.

And from the priest words who learned it to me, heaven is a sort of
life after life, the life we would have if adam and eve would have not ate that apple!

Once again, the bible never mentions that Heaven is anything like how Adam and Eve lived prior to the whole devil fruit bit.

All theses believes you have, comes from the middle ages when church was creating all theses stories to frighten people with witches and lot of things like.

Are you joking me? Do you even know when the old testament was written?

I'm not saying all of that is true

Finally you say something correct. But you should of written, "I'm not saying any of that is true."

religion is only a way of keeping some people from doing bad things

Another nuggest of false information. Have you even looked at history? People have done many bad things in the name of religion.

I won't analyze the rest of your post because that is purely your personally opinion.

I thought it states quite clearly in the New Testament (and the Old?) that there is a Devil?

The only thing I'm unclear about is how many of those persons are the same: devil, satan, lucifer... But I'm pretty sure they are all mentioned in the bible...

And concerning the topic of this discussion... Personally I'm agnostic, indicating that I know that I don't know if there is a god... but according to occams razor I chose the godfree live... or rather, a religion free live...
I see there is a point in religion, trying to get people to do good deeds etc, but i perfer to be good for goodness sake instead of fear of hell or hoping for a payment by going to heaven...

Well, but from a logical point, I think god could not prove his existance anyway. Cause if he existed and the religions were right about anything, he would like people to believe in him. But if everyone knew god existed, then they would not believe but know, and that's different... I know bridges exist and I know that i would fall a long way without them but I would not so far as to say i believe in them... and if god proved his existance with a proper mirical, everyone would want one as well... (you might notice that i read a lot of terry pratchett *g*)

Lucifer is the fallen angel who rebelled against God and got cast out of heaven, commonly known as the Devil or Satan.

Or, some people say lucifer is rather the state that the Devil fell into when rebelling. And some people say this, and some people say that..


They're practically the same though.

DaysAreDone wrote:

religion is only a way of keeping some people from doing bad things

Another nuggest of false information. Have you even looked at history? People have done many bad things in the name of religion.

People did do bad things in name of religion, even still now. Just look at the muslims (not all of them ofcourse, just the radical ones).
But why was religion once 'invented'? The answer is short and simple: to keep the human being stupid, just to let them believe in something that doesn't even exist. To let people think about the 'higher spirits'. And this way they were frightened, so people didn't do certain things anymore that were forbidden.

I dont think religions was founded on that basis. But being a religious person that would make my views biased in some form. However not all bad things comes out of religion. Sure there are radicals in all religions that do some crazy things. But relgions are generally founded on good and moral principals ... that if everyone followed ... it would set a peace on the earth and allow everyone to live happy and meaningful lives.

If there was no religion, then our lives would be soo empty, as there is nothing to work up for. Because I believe once you die you can then live for eternaty in the after life. Now that is something worth working towards.

Blergh wrote:If there was no religion, then our lives would be soo empty, as there is nothing to work up for. Because I believe once you die you can then live for eternaty in the after life. Now that is something worth working towards.

I follow no religion, I don't find my life empty.

well ... everyone would be different. But what do you believe will happen to you when you die?? Thats it?? oh well your dead?? Its always nice to believe in life after death, just makes you see that you can live for something, and also makes you look forward to death.

It is nice to believe in life after death, and I'd like it if I were able to look forward to it.
It can be heart breaking to think there is no life after death, and this is all we get - one reason imo people turn to different beliefs. I cannot see there being a higher being, so I am forced to think about my actions and think of my life as the one shot I'm ever going to get to make things right.

Even if there is a God, I don't see him being such a d*ck that he'll throw me into hell for not believing in him, even though I haven't as such done anything worse than most believers.

It isnt just about living for the afterlife. That even sounds selfish to me. The only reason we live is to pass on our genetic information. It's a natural animal instinct to reproduce, becuase it works. It keeps us here as a species. Although humans have developed the ability to posess different states of mind and emotion, so why not have a little fun at the same time?

And about the statement saying that religion is founded on morals, so if we were all religious there would be 'peace on earth'. You don't have to be religious to have morals. Morals are taught to you at childhood, without a mention of a 'god' you can easily follow simple guidelines that fit with our current societies' structure/culture.

Among the time, peoples gave human attributes and caracteristics to god... Name, Powers... for when you listen "GOD" you don't need to think so deeply...

We are surrounded by pure wisdom... the nature is wisdom, so perfect... we are the incomode here, disturbing the natural order of world...

The complexity of all that sorround all us, including our bodies...
Just a coincidence....? No one projected it?

No doubt that god exists... and we should think deeply in question, at least for me, its wrong to just addopt a idol (like a game character) with magic attributes and some other stuff... God may not be a tangible body or something like, but pure wisdom... hard to explain, its a superior logic... more then that we can think

Saying that we're hear from a 'conincidnce' is completly wrong. Thats not how people who dont beleve in creation look at it. Coincidence if different to probability. If you think about it, the universe is 13.7 billion years old, the ammount of space, number of stars and planets are beyond unimaginable. I think it was something like a few billion star systems in the milky way? That being one of billions of galaxies. The chances that life would not evolve under those circumstances are negligable, and yet many people think that the idea of 'aliens' is completly crazy.

Nearly all religious people i've talked to have had a hard time understanding probability like this. For example, if I said:

If you put a group of monkeys in a room with some typewriters, and left them there for an infinate ammount of time, they would rewrite the complete works of shakespeare (assuming that they didnt age etc).

There is no way you can say that statement isn't true. Yet many people dont understand.

In my opinion - simply put - God is just a human creation, an ideal. It has been used for many purposes by many people. Mainly for people who want something to explain the world we live in, someone to blame, love, hate, explain, and fill in any personal void one might have.