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I my self as an atheist I'm quite open minded at religions.
The physical or spiritual existence of god is not really important, if believing in him makes you a better person that's great not just for you but for everyone around you.
However I very much disagree with the constant exploitation of religion throughout history and even today.

Willyham wrote:If you put a group of monkeys in a room with some typewriters, and left them there for an infinate ammount of time, they would rewrite the complete works of shakespeare (assuming that they didnt age etc).

I really like this example. When it comes to the universe, we are dealing with numbers that are unfathomable in size(if not infinate). So its hard to imagine probability.

zapad wrote:Who believes in God ?
I don't believe

Is there a God?

I don't know , who knows it?

Our brain is limited....
Comparing to the invention of computer's processor, it was a gret thing when IBM annouced its 486 processor. Do you think that any softwares designed for current technology (hyperthreading, 64 bit architecture) would run on a 486 processor? I don't think so. If our brain is a processor, it means ours is tooooooooooo slow to think the god is there....

I do believe that god is there...
that is open minded means for me...

I do not believe in God.

Today I have been informed that only 3 - 3,5 milion of people do not actually believe in God. Rest of the world (99,99..%) think that God exist...

-Krezarian

There has to be a god, someone had to have start this thing called life and be pulling the strings. Too much has happend to convince me otherwise.

It`s every people`s own buisness on what they believe in ,this is not a thing to argue about.If this would be a pole ,it would have more sense.

DjDarkman wrote:It`s every people`s own buisness on what they believe in ,this is not a thing to argue about.If this would be a pole ,it would have more sense.

Nobody is being forced to post here. If someone doesn't want to argue their beliefs then they can find a different topic.

i'm believe that's there is a god.
Our creater.
we breathe the air beyond His power.

He create us and we should appreciate our life and make gud things ( bad things also did sumtimes .. hehe )

Juz think of you're alone in a island , who do u gonna call?
ghostbuster? of coz not!

Our God. He will believe us.
If He did'nt help us , He juz wanna see how brave we are.

Maybe this time He doesnt help us , maybe in a future He help us wihout we notice that He help us ( maybe we think some other person help us )

sorry ..english so bad! bad! bad!

huhu~

"God is dead!" , quoth the raven.

I'm believe he is there but this is very mysterious thing.

dama wrote:"God is dead!" , quoth the raven.

NO God is not Dead , because God wasn't alive in the first place in order to die later

I do not believe there is a god. Elaboration to follow.

I probably fall into the category of an agnostic. I don't believe in [a] god, but show me enough proof, and I will admit there is a god - or gods, if you're polytheistic; or whatever you believe.
I have no problem with other people practicing their religion how they see fit, until it begins to mingle in the lives of others - especially if by force. So far, I have found Buddhist to be some of the most tolerant people I know - especially in how {some forms of} Buddhism allows for the so called 'Personal Saviors' and such.
Someone's right to practice their own religion is a very important thing to me, whether or not I agree with their religions convictions, they should have the freedom to believe in whatever they want to - Free will and whatnot, eh? The 'placebo effect' of religion is a great thing.

There is no way you can say that statement isn't true. Yet many people dont understand.

There is a word for a statement/hypothesis/conclusion which cannot be disproved, and is not proven either - or something very close to those words. That's usually how religion, and things relating to it, are described.

Tavy wrote:There is a word for a statement/hypothesis/conclusion which cannot be disproved, and is not proven either - or something very close to those words. That's usually how religion, and things relating to it, are described.

hmmmm...I'm getting your point!
you're probably referring to a self-refuting idea , from wiki:

wiki wrote:Self-refuting ideas are ideas or statements whose falsehood is a direct logical consequence of holding that they are true.

Actually that's exactly the case with religions , take the creationist hypothesis of God's existence as an example which states that:
"The universe must have been created by a higher metaphysical force known as "GOD" because , the universe is such a complex system that couldn't have been called into existence without God....etc "

Now if we take a closer look at this statement we will see that it contradicts itself since claiming that there is a God because the universe is such a complex system.....means automatically that "God" (this supreme being which made everything happen) , must be indeed a much much more complicated being/system which for itself (according to the previous argument) must also have a creator....

so the idea of God basically kills itself in an infinite cycle of deduction .......oh poor god LOL

Netmaster

Excellent post, but self-refuting was not the word I'm looking for. With a short google search beyond my laziness, I found some close explanations:

Falsifiability

You might also look at the Creationism articles, and how their lack of falsifiability is apparent.

Remember..

Mind precedes all mental states. Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought. If with an impure mind a person speaks or acts suffering follows him like the wheel that follows the foot of the ox.
Mind precedes all mental states. Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought. If with a pure mind a person speaks or acts happiness follows him like his never-departing shadow.