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I missed the point there

Clone a full grown human though? Hmm.. Would that be possible? How would one go about doing that?

Cloning a full-grown human? That's far too SciFi. I don't think we'll ever see a day when a guy walks into a cloning pod and then two guys come out.

I support cloning in the fact that it will save many lives in the future: tissues - for cancer treatment, and cure diseases such as Parkinsons, etc. But the prospect of human cloning may be beyond our own lifetimes. As stated in a recent Time magazine, the reason defects and irregularities appear in clones is because of the method scientists use to clone cells- ripping the nucleus from aanother cell and jamming it into an embryo, whose nucleus was removed - nuclear transfer. Imagine how this crude process would contribute to the problems in animal clones today.
DNA Methylation, they say is the process where the molecules bind to DNA in patterns that chronologically controls the expression of genes. This order is destroyed through the process of cloning, according to Alice Park for Time, it is like "taking all the words in a novel, jumbling them up and then trying to re-create the original book, putting sentences, pages, and chapters back in the right order."
It is very possible for scientists to bypass this problem and clone perfect humans in the future. But with current technological and political barriers, that may just not happen in our lifetime.

never say never..
In the past we might have thought mapping DNA was impossible or curing chicken pox or something...but today we can do all these things.
So maybe sometime in the future, near or far, we just might be able to fully clone a human at full growth!>!>

well wegstar , its true probably cloning humans at this point might be a crude process but in time we can furnish the methods and evolve it into a smooth process.

Samppa: How to clone a full grown human?
lets step into my mind for a second! ok so first we would dematrialize the person that is being cloned,(sorta like on star trek when they beam someone ) then the dematrialized "things" get split into 2 things and then goes into some chamber and materializes eveything again thus createing 2 of the things!

now this is a far fetched idea, but we do know how to "dematrialize" things like light and things such as i read somewhere once that they were dematrializing lasers and such...so at one point will get to the point where we are dematerialzing humans

Myst wrote:Samppa: How to clone a full grown human? Wink
lets step into my mind for a second! ok so first we would dematrialize the person that is being cloned,(sorta like on star trek when they beam someone Razz) then the dematrialized "things" get split into 2 things and then goes into some chamber and materializes eveything again thus createing 2 of the things! Smile

now this is a far fetched idea, but we do know how to "dematrialize" things like light and things such as i read somewhere once that they were dematrializing lasers and such...so at one point will get to the point where we are dematerialzing humans

Hmm... dematerializing the person should also include grabbing the current electrical and chemical state of the body along with the rest of the stuff, without resetting it somehow, (it must take place quickly) so that the resulting clone may have the same "thoughts" and feelings as the person who is cloned... or else stuff might happen - blank memory.

Also, they have to be sure the data doesn't get corrupted, and that a power outage does not occur while someone is being cloned

Other:
Also, this may also lead to other stuff, i.e. someone has a virus, and can't get rid of it...
Just dematerialize the person, search out "data" that has the virus pattern - including it's protein coat, DNA, etc. and deleting it. Then recreate the person - problem solved

How to dematerialize light: Flick the switch


You're right, it does sound farfetched
It will take very long for us to understand the brain, and we may never find out. Until we do, splitting someone up to clone them along with all the data intact is going to go either horribly wrong, or just plain wrong.
But it might happen in the next 10 000 years

The idea that some day there could appear the same big loser as me , make me feel fear .. i hope i`ll die before that happen .. the human is unique [every living creature is unique] and nobody should change this..because i think that the copy of one human doesn`t mean that 'it' is a new guy

uzunov wrote:The idea that some day there could appear the same big loser as me , make me feel fear .. i hope i`ll die before that happen .. the human is unique [every living creature is unique] and nobody should change this..because i think that the copy of one human doesn`t mean that 'it' is a new guy

well.. it depends, different environmental factors and experiences change a person. This will make the clone unique . Take for example, twins.

i don`t think it`s normal for humans to live longer thru cloning.It`s against Human nature.God gave us one life, not 9 lives!Why do some human feel to clene something or someone...I will never understand!

sayuz wrote:i don`t think it`s normal for humans to live longer thru cloning.It`s against Human nature.God gave us one life, not 9 lives!

Err, yeah, we've gone over this.. What you're saying would be impossible.

sayuz wrote:Why do some human feel to clene something or someone...I will never understand!

So we can help those in need?

But you see the good thing about immortality is that you will get to see everything unfold. See how our technology progresses, so how we change, understand things never understoof before, see new discovieries, unearth answers to things. See when Aliens come ! all that good stuff. See what happens to earth in the end!!

"Err, yeah, we've gone over this.. What you're saying would be impossible."
I came to understand that nothing is imposible anymore!

Samppa wrote:Err, yeah, we've gone over this.. What you're saying would be impossible.

I don`t really think somethink is imposible anymore!

I got you the first time.


Yes, it is impossible to become immortal through cloning.

Sure, you've created an entity exactly like you, and it will progress to see the future unfold. Problem is, you're still going to die no matter what, and you won't see the future unfold. Then the clone can make another clone, but even still that clone will die, and only the other clone will live.