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So Cloning today is a real thing... They can clone eggs, embryos, sheep, organs, etc...

Someday they will be cloning Full "growed" humans.

Do you think that as a global community should we continue cloning research and practices, or make a global ban on cloning...

orrrrrr is some cloning good and just some other cloning bad?

hmm hmmmm
thoughts? comments?

I'm definitely against. I believe we are all unique and it should stay that way!

well my netherland friend...lets say your mother who you absolutly adore, is about to die because of a really really really really bad kidney, that is causing fatal problems.

WOuld you not let her use a cloned healty kidney to save your dear mothers lifeeeeee!!!!!

I'm against cloning whole humans. Cloning organs is okay. However, cloning someone just to kill them and take their organs isn't nice.
Also, once you clone yourself, that person thinks they are you. However, there is only one you, and that clone cannot take your place in society. So, it just wouldn't work at all.

hey hey aint no one saying killing someone just to take there organs first off

And now what would be wrong if a person CHOOSES to clone him or herself knowing that they will die so they could "live again" with new organs and all of course

Myst wrote:And now what would be wrong if a person CHOOSES to clone him or herself knowing that they will die so they could "live again" with new organs and all of course

Well, why should one guy deserve to live another life, and another don't?

I'm against too! Because we all have to be diffrent from each other ( i hope you understood me ) and second cause is that the men will dissapear, they wont be important for the human population and the world will be full of women ( that is good for the last man, hehe ).

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I'm against cloning.. There can only be one you and you are individual. Even cloning for immortality is wrong because we were made to grow old and die, and if people clone themselves to never age, what's the point, we don't need babies and the world will become overpopulated. Sure, cloning organs and whatnot is ok, but full grown humans is a no-no.

It seems like you're all missing the point that even if you clone someone they will be totally different. They may look the same, but they sure won't think like you, or think that they are you. Identical twins are natural clones, yet they will grow to be different and separate entities. The same applies for artificial clones. And as such, there is no point cloning yourself in hope of immortality as a) you will die anyway, and b) the clone will be nothing like you.

You cannot own a human being. Making a clone and claiming it as your property is the same as if some parents said the child is their property. It couldn't happen.

Why would men disappear? Explain.


As for should it be banned, no. Cloning can lead to major breakthroughs in artificial or cloned organs and stem cells, giving millions of people a decent way of life etc. etc.. Cloning humans on the other hand is a bit of an ethical dilemma, first of all, it's not natural, and it might prove distressing for the clone and the cloned. Besides, there is nothing to be gained by cloning a full human.

Exactly cloning would lead to healthier lifestyles of people...and that doesnt mean killing someone else and taking thier organs. Usually when you die who can chose to donate your organs. Those DONATED organs then can be cloned and used to HELP other people.

And as a global community there wouldnt be allowed to have a patent on cloning in general. Anways no you wouldnt own the human you have cloned because there would probably be rules set to have this new human the same liberities as anyone else.

Plus you can also do a Clone/Genetic engineering on the new lifeform meaning you can clone a human and then genetically change certain features to not make it indentical...
sure this to some might be eithically wrong, but would be good for people who can not have children or something.

And like abortion, cloning yourself should be a CHOICE in my opinion.
No one is trying to play god here but also, you shudnt just out right ban cloning but atleast for our knowledge and growth of our science we should atleast research it to the fullest extent.

I can't just say that it's wrong or good thing. We (I mean they...) should first work out the technology completely, and make some experiments how it works. They have already successfully cloned animals, but still, it is not clear what consequences cloning a human could have. I guess that until a real result is achieved, we can't judge this thing. Cloning doesn't work as it is seen in Hollywood movies.

I guess it would be the clearest thing (ofc after the technology becomes safe...) to clone a human embryo before it is born, get them separated and watch how they grow up. Until they don't know that there's 'another copy' of them, it wouldn't be a problem for them.

I think it could have fatal aftermath, if scientists just started to clone people. Both ethically (morally) and sciently.

Percy wrote:I guess it would be the clearest thing (ofc after the technology becomes safe...) to clone a human embryo before it is born, get them separated and watch how they grow up. Until they don't know that there's 'another copy' of them, it wouldn't be a problem for them.

These cases already exist.
Like I said, identical twins are clones of each other. The fertilised egg, for some reason, splits into two at the beginning of pregnancy, thus creating two people with the same genes and DNA. There are cases in which, for whatever reason, both children have grown in different surroundings. The twins had different outlooks and treated each other as separate entities when re-united, even though technically they are one. It also goes to prove that genes do not make a person, but the environment they grow up in. And there is no way to clone an environment.

Sure, i know of this case. But I guess you also know that I meant artificially created embryos.

Surely that would not make a difference? The artificial embryo would still hold the same 'data' needed to create a human being. The embryo, after cloning, would make two people (duh). These people would be exactly the same as anyone else in this world, except that their origins would not be natural. They would still be as alike to you and me as the next man. Their surroundings would again make them who they are, and on re-union they would be different, altough they would look the same.

imo, whether the clone is made from a natural fertilised egg or an artificial embryo makes no difference since all the required genes are there.