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Dealing with terrorists is like dealing with a 3 year-old, they think they can acomplish everything with a war, look the germans did the same and got fucked twice (sorry for bad language), takin a hostage is a diffrent approach, we really can't do anything but hope that they'll let him go, what can we do? Give them what they want? I think not, coz they'll get the fealing that they are winning and will continue with stuff like that.

I don't support terrorizem in any way, but the main thing is that it's everywhere, you open a newspaper and you see al-keida did this and that, who the fuck cares? I don't see in the newspaper that a million people died in Africa becouse of starvation, terrorisem is just something you can "talk-about" and that's it, nobody can do nothing about it and noone ever will, they bomb us we bomb them and that's it, but that doesn't make a diffrence, saving people's lives in Africa is a big diffrence but noone gives a fuck does it?

Greets.

I thought the germans went to war:

A) In WWI because Austria-Hungary, after the murders of Frans Ferdinand and and his wife, got the opportunity in their minds to destroy the nationalist movement of the southern slavic people and quieten their supporter Serbia, as Serbia was the place of the murders. The threat of a war beween Austria-Hungary and Serbia was so great, due to the demands of A-H which could in no way be met by Serbia, that Russia, who was compelled to protect Serbia started also preparing for war. It was then, that Germany who had an alliance with Austria-Hungary, stood beside Austria-Hungary and prepared for war as well, since Germany did not think Russia would be able to muster up it's army and that they weren't prepared for war.
Then, after a while it became evident that Russia did have the power to wage war, but it was too late for Germany to emply diplomatics. Germany mobilised their army, to which the French responded with it's own mobilisation as Russia was an ally. Great Britain didn't want to see Germany become a great power and got their 'excuse' to declare war when Germany, with an intention of beating the French quickly before the Russians came a-knocking, attacked through neutral Belgium. The rest is history, but I fail to see your point of trying to accomplish everything through war happen in this war. In fact, I fail to see what they were trying to accomplish..

B) In WWII however, after Hitler sneaked his way into becoming the leader of Germany, Nazi Germany wanted to take over the German Empires of old. Of course the Soviets weren't much help in stopping this as Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union had a mutual agreement on the splitting of countries between them. The Soviet Union also wanted lots of land mass and good defense lines, but they lacked the power Germany had.
On the subject, had Germany been situated where France is, things may have looked different on the map as Germany had the disadvantage of fighting two wars on opposing sides in the end. Of course, Hitler has himself to blame as they attacked the Soviets who were more than able to defend themselves, contrary to Hitler's beliefs.
Anyhoo, they bit more than they could chew in this war but they really couldn't have gone about building the Thousand-Year Empire any other way.

/history mode off

So lay off the Germans in your argument

Samppa wrote:I thought the germans went to war:

A) In WWI because Austria-Hungary, after the murders of Frans Ferdinand and and his wife, got the opportunity in their minds to destroy the nationalist movement of the southern slavic people and quieten their supporter Serbia, as Serbia was the place of the murders. The threat of a war beween Austria-Hungary and Serbia was so great, due to the demands of A-H which could in no way be met by Serbia, that Russia, who was compelled to protect Serbia started also preparing for war. It was then, that Germany who had an alliance with Austria-Hungary, stood beside Austria-Hungary and prepared for war as well, since Germany did not think Russia would be able to muster up it's army and that they weren't prepared for war.
Then, after a while it became evident that Russia did have the power to wage war, but it was too late for Germany to emply diplomatics. Germany mobilised their army, to which the French responded with it's own mobilisation as Russia was an ally. Great Britain didn't want to see Germany become a great power and got their 'excuse' to declare war when Germany, with an intention of beating the French quickly before the Russians came a-knocking, attacked through neutral Belgium. The rest is history, but I fail to see your point of trying to accomplish everything through war happen in this war. In fact, I fail to see what they were trying to accomplish..

B) In WWII however, after Hitler sneaked his way into becoming the leader of Germany, Nazi Germany wanted to take over the German Empires of old. Of course the Soviets weren't much help in stopping this as Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union had a mutual agreement on the splitting of countries between them. The Soviet Union also wanted lots of land mass and good defense lines, but they lacked the power Germany had.
On the subject, had Germany been situated where France is, things may have looked different on the map as Germany had the disadvantage of fighting two wars on opposing sides in the end. Of course, Hitler has himself to blame as they attacked the Soviets who were more than able to defend themselves, contrary to Hitler's beliefs.
Anyhoo, they bit more than they could chew in this war but they really couldn't have gone about building the Thousand-Year Empire any other way.

/history mode off

So lay off the Germans in your argument

True in WWI there was an assasin on Frans Ferdinand.
But then:

Germany declares war on Russia 1st August, 1914
Germany declares war on France

Dunno either I can't read or the Gearmans declared war? dunno

WWII:

The War in Europe

One view is that there was only one world war. It started in 1914 and finished in 1945, with a break from 1918-1939 while the Germans regrouped. (Kaiser Wilhelm was very similar to Hitler: a hate-filled expansionist with visions of world domination.)

More commonly, people believe World War II started in 1939. On August 31, 1939, Hitler and the Nazis staged a Polish attack on a minor German radio station in order to justify a German invasion of Poland. On September 1, Hitler declared war on Poland stating one of his reasons for the invasion was because of "the attack by regular Polish troops on the Gleiwitz transmitter."

This forced France and Britian to declare war on Germany, on September 3, due to their defensive pact with Poland.

Who organies the first attack? Dunno i'm too stoned to t+think

Greets.

Err, yeah Germany declared war first. Russia and France would have declared war not that long afterwards seeing as Germany was an ally of Austria-Hungary and was going to war with them, and indirectly against Russia. And because Germany didn't want to have to fight a war on two fronts they declared war so they could 'justify' beating the French out of the way.
The problem was that Germany wasn't much liked and the alliances were so strong, which caused the war. Germany did not go off and say, let's start a war because we feel like it.

As I said, Nazi Gemany could not have gone about what they did any other way. They couldn't have said "Please give us that piece of land there.".


And to make it clear, it's just plain stupid to blame a nation on the matters

Samppa wrote:Err, yeah Germany declared war first. Russia and France would have declared war not that long afterwards seeing as Germany was an ally of Austria-Hungary and was going to war with them, and indirectly against Russia.

If we're talking about WW1, which I'm sure you are since you mention Austria-Hungary, actually Russia declared war before Germany. It went like this:

Ferdinand assasinated. Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia. Russia declares war on Austria-Hungary. Germany mobilizes. France declares war. Germany invades Belgium to invade France. Great Britian enters war. Nothing really happens for a couple of years due to trenches.

Samppa wrote:Germany did not go off and say, let's start a war because we feel like it.

I agree, it was pointless to blame Germany for WW1. The only reason they were though, was because they were the only Central power left intact. (Austria-Hungary had been split up).

All the same, whether knedl's right or nighthawk's right, it was bound to happen and Germany didn't have much choice.

WW2 started in 1918.
The Treaty of Versailles signed after World War I treated Germany very harshly and was greatly resented by the German people.
Germany was not allowed to have a military. It's ships used for trading were given to the Allies. It forced to give up territories in Africa, Pacific, and Europe and was ordered to pay $33 billion in war damages.

This started a chain of events. It helped put Germany into a huge depression. Unemployment was at terrible levels. Hitler made it his responsibility to defy all of the charges made on Germany through the treaty. He re-armed his nation, re-occupied the Rhineland, threatened neighboring states, and built up a massive army. It was obvious he was preparing for war.
Add into this the threat of communism and you had all the ingredients put in place for an inevitable war.
Basically there was one world war from 1914 to 1945 with some time off in the middle.

A little bit off topic now lol but nevertheless history is history and this is now, gotta focus what's going on now.

Greets.

Well you brought it up

roogog wrote:Basically there was one world war from 1914 to 1945 with some time off in the middle.

Pretty much. Even the conflicts today stem from the poor partioning post-WW1/2

A little bit off topic now lol but nevertheless history is history and this is now, gotta focus what's going on now.

I'd disagree with that. Like the tired old, overused maxim says, those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Case in point, Iraq. Britain already tried to unify Iraq after they gained it as territory. Failed because of the different ethnic groups. Now the U.S. is attempting to. Please just let the country naturally split into its different ethnic groups.

Oh, and you could bring up the whole 'Yugoslavian'/Serbian conflict as well.

The mentality of a terrorist might be that they're "doing the world a favour". It's all psychological. For example, if my employer asked me if I was inhaling drugs, and let's say I was actually doing drugs, but I was injecting it. So, due to his use of words, I can truthfully say "no, I was not inhaling drugs."

they should be shot hung and burned (when caught)

Well, someone got their just desserts.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/ ... index.html

Zarqawi is dead!

I think the death is gona spark a lot more terrorist acts...but it still was a plus on the war against terror. Now all we gota do is find that bugger osama.