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Well, friends, I would like to reply to the "The arabs got a bad deal" post.
If you go a little back in history, you will clearly see who the arabs are, and how they "expanded" their so called kingdom.
At the roots, they went out of the arabian saharas, massacrating every tribe on their way, and they didn't stop at invading the middle east, no! They reached north to europe, and south to china. In the old days of the islam- oumma, they occupied a wide area of the globe, forcing everyone to convert to islam, and butchering their way to allah's heaven.
The jews, christians, and even some sects of islam itself, suffered alot from the "Religion Of Peace" indoctrination. The islam believes in no peace with non-muslims, and no god besides their allah. I can't see how the Jews getting back what "BELONGS" to them, and the USA supporting them, is a bad deal for the arabs.
The issue should be to what extent should the USA back Israel up. But that's a whole different thing.
In no way I am being racist, or radical, but I would say the right way to deal with it is combining both topics: this one and the "nuclear weapons" one.
Radical systems like Iran, pakistan.. should in no way have the power to terrorize the world. I have read alot of books and press releases made by major muslim leaders. khoumayni: Iran, Hassan Khaled: lebanon, Kweytly: Syria... and I assure you people, that they state it clear: no peace in the world untill all the planet will be muslim, succombing to their obsolete rules of the desert that date back hundreds of years ago, and in which you can see no way of improvment!

My opinion is: They came out from the desert, let's push them back to the desert! Sandniggers.
I apologize if I have hurt anyone's fereling on this forum,but, if you are muslim, and already on this forum, chances are you are educated enough not to be a radical blood-thirsty savage.

Peace to the world.

Why there are terrorists?
because they hate Bush
i think if there is no more Bush, all the terrorist will take vacation
and live happily ever after so they never bother us again
then we will live happily ever after too.
no more wasting money on bomb and expensive plane.
tax payer mony will be used for alternative fuel reaserch funding.
cheap gas will make everything else cheap.
peace!!

WHAT?
you think the radical terrorist mouvments only started when Bush got elected?
This go back 1500 years my friend!
Look around you. Name me 1 single conflict in the world that hasn't Islam as part of it!
I'm not backing Bush, he needs to do alot more to exterminate this threat. And that is not done with co allying with Saudi Arabia, or going easy on Syria or Driving the Israelis to withdraw from Gaza.
But certainly, those goat lovers are no victims. Their actions are not reactions to something inflicted on them recently.
Look at it from the big view. READ.

I have joined greek army fsince jan 2005 and there i understood
that when you are quiet and you dont annoy (or piss) some strange
minds (i have a lot there) so terrorists are, they dont disturb you,annoy you.

However all those strange minds I have met(who can cause me problems,
and i make it generaly bigger) they have gain strength, power etc which they
dont have the permission to have

C wrote:Well, friends, I would like to reply to the "The arabs got a bad deal" post.
If you go a little back in history, you will clearly see who the arabs are, and how they "expanded" their so called kingdom.

Yeah, and if you go a little further back, the homo-sapiens wiped out the neanderthals so it's ok to kill and oppress the saps.... great logic...

Trouble is... we live in a might is right world... as long as it is that way, have a ball wiping out terrorism...

We see them as terrorist, they see themselves as freedom-fighters or holy-warriors. We can "fight" that with guns. They will always have the advantage of motivation, while we will only have defense.

The only way to stop "terrorism" is to stop making them. The "arabs" didn't start attachking us because Bush was elected. They've been mad at us for generations. We are too closely allied with Israel (for their liking) and we've never really been all that interested in doing the right things in their lands. We never supported democratic leaders in their countries, just the ones we (thougt) we could control for their oil. We acted imperialistic then, and are still doing it.

We aren't occupiers in the sense of Germany and Japan at the end of WWII, but more like Cromwell in Ireland in the 1600's.

Maybe my thinking about all this is too abstract. Consider the word society. Everybody knows what this is. Live in peace, live in harmony, don't steal, don't harass. Now go out of it and look at the society from outside. What do you see? A bunch of people, which hide their war against each other in an imaginary human construct called society. Now take other words such as love, hate, terrorism and war. All those things are natural and real, but society isn't.

What I'm trying to explain: All those things are plain normal, but the society adjects them to be good and bad. If you split all life in the world into categories, you'll end up with a hierarchy with animals and plants at the root. Further split animals and you'll get reptiles and mammals. At some point you'll get a species called dog, which you can't split any further. And you get homo-sapiens, which you shouldn't be able to split.

This is where the humans are special compared to other species. Biologically you can't categorize humans, but the humans themselves (because they're so smart) are creating such imaginary constructs, which allow them to do this. A few of them are society, religion, nation and the human races.

As long as we keep those categories, there will be no peace. But to waive them means to step back thousands of years, where the only conflict between (male) humans were women. This means, it can't be done, so we will always have war, terrorism and massive hatred in general. By massive hatred I mean hatred against religions, nations and human races, rather than hatred against individuals.

Edit: I don't think that this topic can be combined with the one about nuclear weapons. Because the weapons aren't really the cause of war. Actually, they even prevent it.

I'm gonna talk about the war.

The war in my opinion was a good idea, how it was carried out was awfully wrong and I disagree completely with it. I also disagree with pressuring Israel to give up her land BEFORE the terrorists were annihilated. ( Moving to plan B with A being complete ) Bad move on bushes part and America paid for it within 24 hours, when Katrina was spotted. This war isn't just a war against terrorism inside America we are fighting liberalism. People complaining that we are killing innocent people with smart bombs that go exactly where we want them...... So instead of bombing the place with the terrorists we haft to go door to door getting our Brothers and Sisters killed. I disagree. Anyway thats just a small part of it...reply as I know you will.

See ya.

war (in my opinion) is a BAD idea, always

No matter what happens you cant negotiate with terrorists. Because making negotiations shows that you're weaker and terrorists are stronger.
Never Let The Terrorists Look Strong

Method-Man wrote:No matter what happens you cant negotiate with terrorists. Because making negotiations shows that you're weaker and terrorists are stronger.
Never Let The Terrorists Look Strong

Sometimes the diplomacy is much stronger than the guns

I think Bush should've just flat out said that the war was for humanitarian reasons instead of relying on shaky intelligence. Saddam needed to be taken out, even if the cost of doing it was high.

As for Al-Quaeda...

I dislike a lot of the scares going on over here, because most of them are baseless and end up with people making snap decisions that have negative results. Yeah, I know there are people out there that want us gone, but I'm not going to give up essential freedoms for more security. Decades of planning on AQ's part produced only one major attack...I think we're really pretty safe when you get down to it. I'm more likely to get hit by a car than to get killed by a terrorist.

Yes, that's true. And I wouldn't be suprised, if Al-Quaeda didn't even exist, or was a creation of the US government.

I like your way of thinking Pantero Blanco. mm_freak, of course Al-Quaeda was created, directly or indirectly, by the US government. We, US government, backed Bin Laden when we needed him to do something for us and then cut him off when we were done with him. We financed him and gave him weapons and training. We turned him and his followers into warriors and caused war in thier country. When you have a society that grows up fighting that is all they know. What do they care if they cause problems in another country?

Pantero Blanco, I think what you are eluding to in your second paragraph is the Patriot Act (what a joke!). Talk about loosing freedom. This bill gives the president and law enforcement way to much authority and power. If you are suspected of "terrorism", you can be arrested and held without representation or being charged with a crime. Read my signature below. This is from one of the founding fathers of the USA. Compared to what they knew then and what our officials know now, it looks like we are moving away from democracy by stripping essential freedoms and rights from Americans.

al_tyranny wrote:they have missed the point of life, which is to live as long as possible!

Do you REALLY means so??? )))

That is no more than a sheep life. Life is not only to f###, to eat and to sleep. That ppl really fights with their enemies. No one religious leader can say you to die without you really suppose so.
What will you say about Japaneese "camicadze" in the WW2? Were they stupid fanatix? ))) Or about tousands of any ppl in human history that died not for their freedom but for the better life of their children?
How the fashists calls partizans in USSR in the Great Patriotic War? (I suppose that was the only name "Goddamn terrorist") What is the difference between scotish William Wallace and some Abdula from Bagdad? There is NO DIFFERENCE.
That ppl have no other methods to protect their countries from the enemy. (I suppose that you know who is the enemy of all countries that have oil, land, nickel and where ppl dont eat their breakfast in McDonalds )
Of course its very brutal to any european to do things shuch the way, but it is not possibly to measure non-europeans and non-usa (i cant say "americans" becouse it is the indian ppl) moral with such metrics.

I think that ppl must live in freedom but, ofcourse, LET other to live their way. I cant see any need to make anybody like me, so dont make me like you.

If it is interesting for you - im neigher a terorrist nor separatist.