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Headhunter wrote:Hacking is silly!

Nothing is pointless when there is interest and motivation.

Quothe teh raven:

Raven wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Hacking is silly!

Nothing is pointless when there is interest and motivation.

Sorry, couldn't resist. But he is right- most hobbies are pointless, and enjoyable at the same time.

maybe i'm just the nonenglish noob in here, but would editing the game the way that (e.g. the monsters get stronger) be hacking?

is "to hack" only just to get "into a game" (the source code e.g.) ?

d0ppel-D wrote:maybe i'm just the nonenglish noob in here, but would editing the game the way that (e.g. the monsters get stronger) be hacking?

is "to hack" only just to get "into a game" (the source code e.g.) ?

You are half way there. Yes, there is memory editing involved with hacking games. The source code is used to develop a program used to do the memory edit.

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http://www.cheatengine.org/

This is a very awesome program made by Dark Byte. He was nice enough to release his source code for everybody. If you use OllyDbg, I think Cheat Engine is much better.

I have learned good knowledge using Cheat Engine. Games protected by nProtect GameGuard are the best to hack. This is because GameGuard is trying to patch Cheat Engine, but the hackers are still able to bypass using Cheat Engine and adding a bypass code. GameGuard is suppose to be one of the top gaming security systems.

This type of knowledge can definitely make good money on the side. Think about it and if you can do it, go fot it. xD By the way, the other type of hacking online games would be packet editing. I believe this is illegal. I have an idea of how to do it, but I don't break the law. That type of knowledge isn't worth it. Memery hacking is legal, but you will get banned from the game when caught. You'd start over since there isn't an IP ban yet.

Phantasy Star Online was hacked to death by packet editing. There was an infamous hacker who could turn his character into Sonic and do all sorts of crazy crap using packet editing.

Yeah, hacking online games is basically asking the admins to ban you. I'm not sure if it is actually illegal or not, but either way, it's not worth it.

Nintendud wrote:Phantasy Star Online was hacked to death by packet editing. There was an infamous hacker who could turn his character into Sonic and do all sorts of crazy crap using packet editing.

Yeah, hacking online games is basically asking the admins to ban you. I'm not sure if it is actually illegal or not, but either way, it's not worth it.

It might not be worth it to you since you have no idea of what is involved with the process. The knowledge is definitely worth it. Try reading the whole thread next time before you double post.

Whoa whoa whoa, who said I have no idea about what is involved in the process? I've never done any actual hacking, but I know enough to know the general process.

Also, how did I double post? I only posted once, and nobody ever mentioned PSO...

And, I didn't say hacking wasn't worth it. I said hacking online games (such as PSO) isn't worth it, since it's a quick way to get banned (although maybe PSO isn't a good example, since most hackers on PSO don't get punished for their actions, since hacking on PSO is rampant).

Hacking offline games is fine though, since you are just screwing around with a game you own. Hacking has brought us new Goldeneye levels, Bottles' Revenge in Banjo-Tooie, the Banjo Kazooie map editor, and a bunch of other cool things out of Rareware N64 games.

Anyway, I did read all the posts in the thread. Most of them were like my posts. I don't see why you had a reason to single me out of all the other more pointless posts. I may post a lot, but I make sure I read all/most of the posts in a thread before posting.

Raven wrote:The knowledge is definitely worth it.

You cannot say that, two reasons:
1) Other people may not be as interested as yourself about the whole thing. I know I don't give a rat about it.
2) How is it definitely worth it? I know it will never benefit me to know how to morph data in the manner described.

Samppa wrote:

Raven wrote:The knowledge is definitely worth it.

You cannot say that, two reasons:
1) Other people may not be as interested as yourself about the whole thing. I know I don't give a rat about it.
2) How is it definitely worth it? I know it will never benefit me to know how to morph data in the manner described.

Some people like myself are motivated to gain knowledge about technology. I wouldn't care much about the game itself since most games are pointless and time consuming. I believe gaining logic skills by learning how to edit memory is a concept that can be used to get your foot in the door at a computer related company. It looks pretty good if someone was able to bypass one of the world's largest gaming security systems. People with knowledge about bypassing security systems are usually able to patch security systems which is what most computer related companies are looking for.

defined by intelligence...

what i think you are trying to do is illegal... the best i can tell you is to "not" get caught... but since knowledge isnt illegal... i can say that if you want to go further with what you asked... i say you start at "reverse engineering"... dont have to be a educated programmer to do it... although that would probally help...

brilliance in short doses
[SoLveD]

Raven wrote:

Samppa wrote:

Raven wrote:The knowledge is definitely worth it.

You cannot say that, two reasons:
1) Other people may not be as interested as yourself about the whole thing. I know I don't give a rat about it.
2) How is it definitely worth it? I know it will never benefit me to know how to morph data in the manner described.

Some people like myself are motivated to gain knowledge about technology. I wouldn't care much about the game itself since most games are pointless and time consuming. I believe gaining logic skills by learning how to edit memory is a concept that can be used to get your foot in the door at a computer related company. It looks pretty good if someone was able to bypass one of the world's largest gaming security systems. People with knowledge about bypassing security systems are usually able to patch security systems which is what most computer related companies are looking for.

That doesn't make it definitely worth anything for me though. That may be your 'plan', and may be worth it to you, but to say it's definitely worth it is still wrong, and your post doesn't change that.

Samppa wrote:

Raven wrote:

Samppa wrote:

Raven wrote:The knowledge is definitely worth it.

You cannot say that, two reasons:
1) Other people may not be as interested as yourself about the whole thing. I know I don't give a rat about it.
2) How is it definitely worth it? I know it will never benefit me to know how to morph data in the manner described.

Some people like myself are motivated to gain knowledge about technology. I wouldn't care much about the game itself since most games are pointless and time consuming. I believe gaining logic skills by learning how to edit memory is a concept that can be used to get your foot in the door at a computer related company. It looks pretty good if someone was able to bypass one of the world's largest gaming security systems. People with knowledge about bypassing security systems are usually able to patch security systems which is what most computer related companies are looking for.

That doesn't make it definitely worth anything for me though. That may be your 'plan', and may be worth it to you, but to say it's definitely worth it is still wrong, and your post doesn't change that.

why are you going back and forth over which is right and wrong. obviously one is saying that the knowledge is definitely worth the time and effort to do it... whether it is worth it to someone else becomes irrelevant. check the topic because your both getting sidetracked from the original question..

[SoLveD]

SoLveD wrote:why are you going back and forth over which is right and wrong.

Because I'm right.

SoLveD wrote:obviously one is saying that the knowledge is definitely worth the time and effort to do it...

Yes, well done so far..

SoLveD wrote:whether it is worth it to someone else becomes irrelevant.

Nope, got that one wrong.

SoLveD wrote:check the topic because your both getting sidetracked from the original question..

Raven is the maker of the questions, he can do as he wishes

God wrote:

SoLveD wrote:

Samppa wrote:

Raven wrote:

Samppa wrote:

Raven wrote:The knowledge is definitely worth it.

You cannot say that, two reasons:
1) Other people may not be as interested as yourself about the whole thing. I know I don't give a rat about it.
2) How is it definitely worth it? I know it will never benefit me to know how to morph data in the manner described.

Some people like myself are motivated to gain knowledge about technology. I wouldn't care much about the game itself since most games are pointless and time consuming. I believe gaining logic skills by learning how to edit memory is a concept that can be used to get your foot in the door at a computer related company. It looks pretty good if someone was able to bypass one of the world's largest gaming security systems. People with knowledge about bypassing security systems are usually able to patch security systems which is what most computer related companies are looking for.

That doesn't make it definitely worth anything for me though. That may be your 'plan', and may be worth it to you, but to say it's definitely worth it is still wrong, and your post doesn't change that.

why are you going back and forth over which is right and wrong. obviously one is saying that the knowledge is definitely worth the time and effort to do it... whether it is worth it to someone else becomes irrelevant. check the topic because your both getting sidetracked from the original question..

[SoLveD]

And I said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. I rock. I hacked the universe. Everyone in heaven said I was 1337. But then again, that's obvious; I'm God!

Quoting is fun!
Hahahaha, sorry, I just felt like saying that.

Raven is right in that it can be valuable knowledge, and Samppa is right that it's not important to everyone. There, I said it.

Can I have a cookie now?
(Cookies are good)

i wish i knew finnish cause i dont think you can read and interpret english all that great samppa.

check it out... lets say you like cheese... cheese is good.. so you say..lol
someone else comes and says cheese is nasty? does that change your opinion about cheese? if it does then i will admit i am wrong..

but like i said before.. if the person says the knowledge is worth it... and that same person started the topic in the first place.... yeah i would say that your post was very irrelevant to the answer of his question. simple logic dude... think before you act... look before you leap even... rofl

[SoLveD]