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The new study by two University of Southern California sociologists says children with lesbian or gay parents show more empathy for social diversity, are less confined by gender stereotypes, and are probably more likely to explore homosexual activity themselves. Writing in recent issue of the American Sociological Review, the authors say that the emotional health of the two sets of children is essentially the same.

6. The studies indicate that sexual orientation has no measurable effect on the quality of parent-child relationships or on the mental health of children.

Yet they continue to state "But the question is, are these differences healthy?"
Can someone tell me what they're trying to say?

Samppa wrote:...
I'm not sure what you mean by including paedophiles into the equation, are you saying gays are more susceptive to molesting their child because they're men? Or that they're going to kill the child the moment they get it?


btw, out of curiousity, what's the instinct?

No, no, I am not suggesting gays or better or worse. I am more pointing to men in general as being more susceptible to inappropriate behavior with respect to child development. I think the article linked in below is great. I have read it, and I liked the following to sum up my point:

The study's co-author, Judith Stacey, is a professor of contemporary gender studies. In addition to pointing out the gender differences in the two groups of children, she states that there are in fact some advantages to an all-female parental team without Dad living in the home: a female couple tends to be more involved in the children's lives and is in greater harmony in terms of parenting approaches.

But how necessary is that greater 'harmony', wouldn't less harmony do the trick as well?

Just popping up a question, I'm not just war-mongering here

Samppa wrote:But how necessary is that greater 'harmony', wouldn't less harmony do the trick as well?

Just popping up a question, I'm not just war-mongering here

Yes, that it is a good question to the article. I cannot add to that.

Its realy not a good idea!!!
A child need to have a father and a mother and not 2 father !!!!
OMG whats going on in this crazy world??

koncept wrote:Its realy not a good idea!!!
A child need to have a father and a mother and not 2 father !!!!
OMG whats going on in this crazy world??

Surely you must have some other basis then that? If a single parent works, then why not two of the same gender?

Well, this is just not normal. In the nature only two human beens with different gender can have child. The adobtion should have the same model: 1Man and 1Women. HOMOSEXUALITY is a sexual diversion also consider as illness and as form of masochism. Everyone could estimate is it good for the child to live in one surrounding of physical violance or not.

For more information about homosexuality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality

goliat wrote:Well, this is just not normal.

Yeah, well I was just trying to see if Koncept could back it up other then 'child needs a mother and a father', since plently of kids don't have both.

That being said, yes homosexuality is a genetic deviance from the norm.

Who considers it as an illness anymore these days?
And who ever thought it was a form of masochism, lol?

You're saying gays and lesbians are more aggressive? We've already established that it's not the case.


Homosexuality is also not uncommon in the animal kingdom at large.

Samppa wrote:Who considers it as an illness anymore these days?

I think the Chinese Gov't still does, or maybe they just recently took it off the list.

Samppa wrote:You're saying gays and lesbians are more aggressive? We've already established that it's not the case.

Well, sexually aggressive possibly may be true for male homosexuals. There was a study in San Francisco that found the average gay male there had over 200 sexual partners. Lesbians? 4. Straight Males? 9. I forgot the amount for straight women, and I lent the book to someone so I can't check.

Just some other stats about that though:

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html wrote:28 percent [of homosexuals polled in a study in 1978]claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners.

Albeit the page is from a Catholic Organization, the study itself was not.

Samppa wrote:Homosexuality is also not uncommon in the animal kingdom at large.

Not enough to warrant it being labelled 'Nature Approved'. Yeah, bonobos are pretty.... lax, and those penguins in SF are someone trite, but it doesn't define it being 'commonplace' when it's a genetic deviation.[/quote]

The Chinese Gov considers many things to be many things. Good technical point there though.

Sexually aggressive ain't the same as beating your child
Altough that study says nothing about sexual aggressiveness, just the number of partners.

I know it's not nature approved, but I thought I'd try stamp out an upcoming argument.

Samppa wrote:The Chinese Gov considers many things to be many things. Good technical point there though.

Do I detect sarcasm?

Sexually aggressive ain't the same as beating your child

Of course not, that's why I was talking about sexual aggression, not physical aggression.

Altough that study says nothing about sexual aggressiveness, just the number of partners.

Which is by definition a type of agressiveness. Aggression doesn't mean violence. "the practice of making encroachments". Hence, someone who has sex a lot of times is sexually agressive, whilst being completely 'subdue' during sex.

Well yes, sexual aggressive ain`t the same as beating the child, but it reflex on the child`s psychic. Childs teaching from his parents and if it see every morning how Dad is kissing dad, it can make fause picture about what is right and what is not right. Yes, there is many childs grown from only one parent but this is not the same as to be grown from two dad`s or two mom`s, isn`t it?

Aha, I get your point nighthawk

But, forgetting all sexual aggression, and concentrating on the alleged physical violence stated in this quote:

Everyone could estimate is it good for the child to live in one surrounding of physical violance or not.

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I will stand with what I said earlier.


As for seeing daddy kiss daddy, it might seem weird what with all the 'normal' sex shown on tv, and with everyone else having dad kiss mom. Still though, I don't see how it would affect the young child. You yourself said it is a genetic deviance, so it not something you'd learn. The processes of being attracted to someone are in the dark, and are probably much to do with instinct or some other thing out of your conscious control.
As for saying words like right and wrong in the context is in my view pretty dramatic, as it's not exactly wrong to be gay. Different, not wrong.

Of course being raised by one parent as opposed to two is going to be different, but the raising of the child would not be affected by the gender of the parents.

Samppa wrote:As for seeing daddy kiss daddy, it might seem weird what with all the 'normal' sex shown on tv, and with everyone else having dad kiss mom. Still though, I don't see how it would affect the young child. You yourself said it is a genetic deviance, so it not something you'd learn.

Absolutely. It's silly to say kids of gay parents will be gay. They won't. They will however, be at a social disadvantage when it comes to relationships. Children of abusive parents, or parents who are divorced, are more likely to be abusive or get divorced. The fact is, our perceptions of what is right in a relationship is based upon the observations we made as children of our parents. That's why trends such as abuse etc get passed down between families.

(Now, this was not saying homosexuals are abusive).

But the caveat is that when you have for instance male-male parents, your innate observations on what is normal in your own straight lifestyle are going to be wrong. Male-Male are different interactions than Male-Female or Female-Female. Therefore, the child knows how to interact as a 'homosexual male' but not to one of the same gender. It doesn't make them gay, it just means they possibly may think the mannerisms of a homosexual male are the correct ones while looking for a girlfriend.

Therefore, you can draw the conclusion that children of homosexual couples are at a slight disadvatage then children of straight couples because they don't have that immersion into straight relationships. Now, that can easily be changed with exposure to heterosexual relationships, so it's not fatal damage in almost all cases.