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tarbosaurus_geticus wrote:Korea perhaps, but i was talking about the example of Vietnam, which isnt communist, not at least in the stalinist type (Vietnam is more liberalized, like in the very late period of the USSR).

The ruling party in Vietnam is the "Communist Party of Vietnam". While it is democratic centralist, it is nonetheless a communist body.

If North Korea had unified the peninsula the major powers would have lost interest in the area as it happened in Vietnam. Here the standstill means both powers continue to monitor the area and do there best to maintain there lacky governements.

Au contraire, South Korea had a greater chance of unifying the penninsula.

Major powers have intrest in the area because of the balance of power in the Eastern-Asian political geography. On the left is North Korea, supported de jure by China, and on the 'free' side is South Korea, surrounded by Japan, Taiwan, and other poltically insignificant entities. Because of its enormous economic power, South Korea matters where Vietnam doesn't.

Furthermore, I think all we need to do to clearly show whether Korean style communism or Korean style capitalism works is to compare the economic and social freedoms of the two societies. South Korea has the 10th largest GDP in the world, whereas NK hasYou'd be extremely hard pressed to say the North is better.

And what about their lackey governments? Jong-il is no more a puppet of Red China than Roh Moo-hyun is of America.

Major powers have intrest in the area because of the balance of power in the Eastern-Asian political geography. On the left is North Korea, supported de jure by China, and on the 'free' side is South Korea, surrounded by Japan, Taiwan, and other poltically insignificant entities. Because of its enormous economic power, South Korea matters where Vietnam doesn't.

I dont think that the south korean economy was as good as it is today in the period before the korean war, Koreas economy is the result of the standstill and close tie-ins with Japan that resulted because of the standstill.

And what about their lackey governments? Jong-il is no more a puppet of Red China than Roh Moo-hyun is of America.

If the standstill would have fallen of neither would be lackeys.

Just in, North Korea nuclear tests were confirmed to be TRUE. Samples from the air around where the nuke was tested confirmed that a nuclear device was tested there.

"According to CNN.com, air samples taken over North Korea have not yet shown any radiation from the event on Monday that North Korea claims was a nuclear test. This is not definitive proof that the event was non-nuclear, as it may either have been so small and deep that it did not let any radioactive debris escape, or perhaps the North Koreans sealed the site."
Furthering speculation over whether North Korea has actually exploded a nuclear device, vk38 writes to point out a (free) article in today's Wall Street Journal claiming that the blast could have been set off by exploding fertilizer (ammonium nitrate). The article points to the Texas City disaster of 1947, in which 7,700 tons of ammonium nitrate exploded in the hold of a ship with the estimated power of 2 to 4 kilotons of TNT."
Taken from www.slashdot.org
Well i guess it isnt true anymore...

And sorry about the double post ive just realized i made a double one instead of one

tarbosaurus_geticus wrote:Well i guess it isnt true anymore...

Nope, the radiation detection systems in Japan recently picked up the particles. It was an underground detonation after all.

If i remember correctly before the invasion of Iraq, there were reports that Saddams regime had biologigal, chemical, stuff like that weapons etc. After the invasion nothing is found what you know?
Im not saying those nukes arent real, but America has made invented pretexts before...

tarbosaurus_geticus wrote:If i remember correctly before the invasion of Iraq, there were reports that Saddams regime had biologigal, chemical, stuff like that weapons etc. After the invasion nothing is found what you know?

Will wrote:Nope, the radiation detection systems in Japan recently picked up the particles.

I never mentioned the United States. It was a Japanese station that made the decision. Now, a couple points about what you said; some of it is relevent to Korea, some of it to Iraq.

a.) Iraq did have an assortment of biological and chemical assortment, and asserted that he did until his generals recognized the seriousity of the US.

Now, these "weapons" are assumed to be, and probably were, destroyed or never weapons grade. However, Saddam continued to state that he had them in order to deter an invasion from long-time enemy Iran. Iraqi Generals were far more concerned with their neighbor than the United States, up to the invasion. Saddam felt that the US wouldn't invade, and it was therefore more beneficial for him to lie to make sure Iran didn't try any funny stuff.

b.) North Korea has asserted that they have nuclear weapons.

When the North Korean government tells the world that they have tested a nuclear weapon, and then a Japanese installation picks up radiation, there is no US-led conspiracy. If Kim vehemetly denied nukes, and the US said they had them, then you would have a point. However they havn't, and you don't. In fact, at this point the government is being cautious to officially declare whether they in fact tested a nuclear weapon due to the odd evidence that has been collected from China, Russia, and Japan. At this point, while 'officially' US has recognized that NK tested a nuclear device, most government officials are wary that it could have been, and most likely was, an attention seeking bluff.

When the North Korean government tells the world that they have tested a nuclear weapon, and then a Japanese installation picks up radiation, there is no US-led conspiracy. If Kim vehemetly denied nukes, and the US said they had them, then you would have a point. However they havn't, and you don't.

You are missing my point. What i wanted to say is that: if US decides to invade Korea they will have the perfect pretext in front of other NATO members and the UN. Korea might be bluffing in order to keep America at bay for now, or they unwillingly make the US s game. They might not be bluffing, but that doen't change the situation. The comparisson with Iraq is too clodse , thats why i gave it as an example.