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What you guys think about them?

Personally I think they need a regime change. Since the world won't allow the US to do it. Russia and China needs to step up to the plate.

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Personally I think my opinion makes no difference whatsover...

I dont think it should be up to anyone but people of North Korea to decide whether they need a regime change or not. God knows the world is in shit deep enough because of dickheads who make decisions for others (I'm not implying you're a dickhead - thankfully you dont have the power to be one).

Power to tha people! I'm not even kidding ;) Unless the people of North Korea go over and hang the retard themselves - there shouldnt be any change. Them being passive is their choice - and history has shown that a sudden political change is totally possible...

China? Isn't China the only friend North Korea has? I'm not into politics, I don't read news or watch TV... but to me, uninformed as I am, it seems that China can benefit much more for keeping North Korea close - they can always plead ignorance if North Korea does something stupid... I'm sure China's economic friends will wanna believe whatever they're being fed. The world is so fucking stupid..

Finally - if the world won't allow the US to do it, I think it's less likely to "allow" Russia or China (or anybody) to do it - the US seems to be the only one with enough resources to pull it together and then try to get friendly again with the world - although I dont think many people really want that...

So far there isnt concrete proof that North Korea succesfully tested a nuclear
weapon. Although South Korea did record around a 3.5 i thnk on siesmic scale during or near the time North Korea said they tested the nuke.


However if they did succesfully test it and it was succesful; i would first tell either china or whoever else north korea likes but who is also close to the US to help them provide security around the nuclear area so as other terrorists or rebel organizations dont get there hands on it. Once that is done that we can take steps to get them back on the nuclear proliferation treaty.


But we still need more substantial evidence.

I might sound weird but...
I think the korean war should have been won by North Korea; it would have unified the country just like it happened in Vietnam, after a couple ofd decades things would become better, again the example givin is Vietnam. Today we have one country a booming economy and the other still a poor one, in a bacward state...
I dont care in North Korea has nuclear weapons, they are not stupid enough to use them, and at least they can protect themselves from the US thats bulying small states that dont agree with its politics.
I know lots of people are gonna say something nasty about me, but thats how i feel...

I'll start with saying crap about you :)

You're speculating all the way. You have no idea what would've happened had North Korea won that war - you're assuming it would be all fine and dandy. Cool. Let's check out how the rest of the communist countries did with their resources. Oh shit? People were dirt poor and starving, while the military flourished. I have no idea where you're pulling your optimism from, but I honestly think North Korea would fuck South Korea up bad, real bad, in the manner of a few years - leading to more armies and lots of starving people... Furthermore, the victory would encourage the communist North Korea, which would then suddenly grow even bigger balls, and who the hell knows where we'd all be by now...

I care if North Korea has nuclear weapons.. I dont think that shit should be used to pose ultimatums in the 21st century. As much as I disagree with the politics of the American government, I'd rather have a hillbilly bully small countries in the name of international peace (hehe, funny, right) - than have an egomaniacal moron with a fuckin remote control posing ultimatums just because he can.

I didnt really say anything nasty about you, did I? :)

Frankly, it scares the crap out of me.

Possession of nuclear weapons by relatively sane governments is a good thing, because it means that thanks to Mutually Assured Destruction, no one will dare be the first to loose their warheads.

Possession of unstable governments or individuals does not give the same type of assurances, and they are the ones likely to ignore the consequences in the name of what they feel is the greater good (suicide bombers to the extreme).

tarbosaurus_geticus wrote:I might sound weird but...
I think the korean war should have been won by North Korea; it would have unified the country just like it happened in Vietnam, after a couple ofd decades things would become better, again the example givin is Vietnam. Today we have one country a booming economy and the other still a poor one, in a bacward state...

Sorry, but Vietnam hasn't been divided since 1975. Furthermore, Vietnam has a 37% poverty rate, and a heavily militarized poltical atmosphere.

tarbosaurus_geticus wrote:I dont care in North Korea has nuclear weapons, they are not stupid enough to use them

North Korea seems to be following a rather unpredictable method of terrorizing their neighbors.. with their two missle launches that have gone over or near free South Korea and Japan, not to mention the fact that chemical weapons are loaded in artillery pieces aimed at Seol.

tarbosaurus_geticus wrote:and at least they can protect themselves from the US thats bulying small states that dont agree with its politics.
I know lots of people are gonna say something nasty about me, but thats how i feel...

Barring the whole issue regarding them breaking international law and treaties, one could make the case that we have every right to seek repirations(sic?). The United States has invested billions of dollars into North Korea in the premise that this money was going to be used for either: civilian light water reactors, and food for the starving population. However, this money has continuously been used for nothing more than weapons research. While part of the problem rests with former President Bill Clinton; ultimately North Korea lied regarding what they were using *our* money for.

I'm really interested to see where this whole thing will take us. Would be horrible if another war would start because of this, though highly doubtful. I'm just curious to see how N. Korea will respond to our (and the rest of the world's) threats. I mean even China seemed "displeased" with their decision.

I'm going to have to agree with Will about N. Korea bieng unpredictable. Though I don't think suicidal (hopefully...), Kim is pretty unstable.

tjilgil

Barring the whole issue regarding them breaking international law and treaties, one could make the case that we have every right to seek repirations(sic?). The United States has invested billions of dollars into North Korea in the premise that this money was going to be used for either: civilian light water reactors, and food for the starving population. However, this money has continuously been used for nothing more than weapons research. While part of the problem rests with former President Bill Clinton; ultimately North Korea lied regarding what they were using *our* money for.

Didnt knew about that.... Sorry, gues you have the right to be upset then.

Let's check out how the rest of the communist countries did with their resources. Oh shit? People were dirt poor and starving, while the military flourished.

I myself am from a former communist state; and we dont have a militarized atmosphere or a very low poverty rate, same thing can be said about all the other eastern european states; why things cant be the same with an asian state?

As for the nukes , Korea just shows of, really using them would be to sign there death bill; its more of an insurance that the US wont try to attack them, like they did with Iraq (or it will make the US attack North Korea in response,more of a gamble).

tarbosaurus_geticus wrote:I myself am from a former communist state; and we dont have a militarized atmosphere or a very low poverty rate, same thing can be said about all the other eastern european states; why things cant be the same with an asian state?

They're still communist.

They're still communist

Whos still communist??
Korea perhaps, but i was talking about the example of Vietnam, which isnt communist, not at least in the stalinist type (Vietnam is more liberalized, like in the very late period of the USSR). If North Korea had unified the peninsula the major powers would have lost interest in the area as it happened in Vietnam. Here the standstill means both powers continue to monitor the area and do there best to maintain there lacky governements.

I myself am from a former communist state; and we dont have a militarized atmosphere or a very low poverty rate, same thing can be said about all the other eastern european states; why things cant be the same with an asian state?

I'm sorry, did you not notice the past tense? :) I dont know how old you are, but I'm sure you're aware of what life was like in your country untill relatively recently.

I dont know how old you are, but I'm sure you're aware of what life was like in your country untill relatively recently.

Well mister it wasnt so bad as you might think; In fact most old people here wish communism would rise again to power...

Just in, North Korea nuclear tests were confirmed to be TRUE. Samples from the air around where the nuke was tested confirmed that a nuclear device was tested there.