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europe has still al lot of things that should change

no one does really know what happend to europe so far

i think europe should stay as it is and work better together

i know there are some countries who would like to join but my opinion is wait and first see what happens now

just let europe be europe and if we are far enough we still can see what countries can get in

wijsje wrote:Countries and civilians would loose their unique identity, and that shouldn't happen.

They would? If that were ever going to happen, the countries would still exist, but they would just form up to make one big united entity. How would unique identity disappear?

wijsje wrote:I mean, imagine: Finnish, Bulgarian and Belgian people that live in the same country...

And the problem is..?

topolab wrote:a lot of ppl insouth bulgaria already use EURO ( € )
because of greeks, who spend a lot of money there

Is this some sort of joke?

Samppa wrote:

wijsje wrote:I mean, imagine: Finnish, Bulgarian and Belgian people that live in the same country...

And the problem is..?

I'm not a racist or something, it just wouldn't work out. I think there are too many differences between the people of the different countries. Living together in a unified 'country' would certainly cause struggles.

Working together as the European Union is already difficult enough.

Which is where education would come in..

This questions is really connected with me because i`m a bulgarian. I dont know what u really think about our join in the EU, but i think that our culture and history will make eu more colorfull and a really Union.
It`s truth that we`re really in very bad finance situation but we`re part of this continent and like it or not we`re part from Europe. If u want peace ...every europian country should join the commnity.
Because it the middle ages bulgarian were one of the first europian civization
There a lot of bulgarian criminals 'u think' -but there also a lot of good educated doctros, programmers, and so on.
I hope that bulgarians will prove that we diserved to be part of EU.

p.e.
One interesting fact about bulgarians.
1. When we were conquared by vizatians...soon after that the whole impire fall into peaces.
2. When became part of Turkish impire in the 1396...soon after that the turkish became one the most poor and bad-developed peaple..and after that country fall in to pieces too.
3.In the 1st world war..we were on the russians side..and of course they lost the war .
4.When Bulgaria start to help germans in the 2nd world war..soon after that German lost the war ...
..do u realized what soon can happed with EU ..when we become members

I hate to say it, but history has **** all to do with today.. Finland also fought alongside Germany (against Russia) in WW2, altough we like to think we were fighting a separate war, but it doesn't mean we should have been part of the EU for that.

As for the European Union being a union.. You're in for a heck of a surprise.

I was kidding with this P.E. , dont think it seriosly . But however it think we finally deserverd to be part of the EU. And I hope u will support our little country because of its great history, because of all things we have suffered...
Bulgarians deserved some peace and calm ages i think

Well i didnt realize my topic would cause so much debate, especially from my bulgarian neighbours Anyway the general conclusion i have reached is that most western europeans are too proud to exept us small states and they dont know a thing about our history... There are exeptions of course the people in Finland a good example here.
uzonov you said Bulgaria fought in world war 1 on the russian side but actually you fought with the central powers alongside germany; Ishould know that because you invaded our country from the south in that war...

ok, i dont know who said that south bulgaria uses Euros already but thats not true i personaly think that we in bulgaria haven't got what it takes to enter the EU yet, with all this organized crime, brides, etc. etc....it ain't worth it!

I did use a bad example with Bulgaria. Almost everyone here seems to be from Bulgaria. It was just an example of what we here think about most East-European countries. It wasn't a personal attack to Bulgaria(ns).

/* Offtopic: Nah bro, don't worry, this is the whole thruth, isnt it? i mean look now, all of our big "names" if i could say it this way, where murder...but lets forget that, this topic has became about bulgaria mainly */
So dont worry dude be happy life goes on even if we don't end up in the EU

The life of people in Bulgaria, Romania and other balcan countries will not change the moment they join EU. I think Romania and expecialy Bulgraia are not ready to join EU. The main problems are coruption and organised crime.

About the European army... Until NATO colapses it will not be possible.

What do you think about Turkey joining the EU?

tarbosaurus_geticus wrote:Well i didnt realize my topic would cause so much debate, especially from my bulgarian neighbours Anyway the general conclusion i have reached is that most western europeans are too proud to exept us small states and they dont know a thing about our history... There are exeptions of course the people in Finland a good example here.
uzonov you said Bulgaria fought in world war 1 on the russian side but actually you fought with the central powers alongside germany; Ishould know that because you invaded our country from the south in that war...

u`re right. The history is not my strong point, but how ever i meant that germans lost the war again .
Our joining in EU won`t change our current situation !!!
Ready or not i think we`re going to join th EU.
We always suffer from from big countries` foolish and decisions. In all wars Bulgarian were one of the most hurted ones and no one have a idea about that.

Some of the standards that countries have to complete to join EU are absolutely justified by the responsibilities that joining EU carries. There are some that aren't - like extradicting politicians and/or military personel to International Court in Hague. Why? Cause what ever they did or didn't do has nothing to do with ordinary people who just want peaceful, normal lives. Yes, I'm from Serbia and it bothers me, not because I think those people aren't guilty as charged, but because their possible guilt is casted over many people who simply do not deserve such treatment.

Now, Bulgaria (since you already mentioned it), I was there this summer for two weeks and I know they were less developped while we were Yugoslavia (the big one, not the smaller leftovers). Somehow, since Bulgaria had no civil wars, no Milošević, no UN sanctions and they do have natural welths, I thought that while we were going backwards by decades they will progress more. Looks like they didn't.
What suprised me the most - Sofia looks worse than Belgrade - it is obvious that few years back there was some improvement and investments but it seems that at one point everything stopped.
Then there is that very unpleasent thing with private exchange offices which are not controlled by the national bank and they have some strange exchange rates. Above that - banks don't work on Saturday (there was only one with worktime 9-12 am).
I am not aware of how many foreign investments Bulgaria had in past few years but the fact that their capital has no new buildings (except for the city center) hit me of my feet. In Belgrade there are new buildings rising on every possible free location, either in the city center or in the suburbs.
Also I had the opportunity to talk with some Bulgarians who live in USA for a while and they too shared my oppinion about the speed of developping higher standards in Bulgaria - they too, knowing what we had to go through in past 15 years, agree that life quality should be higher than in Serbia.

Situation isn't much better in my yard as well although the main problem here are people not always willing to understand that only thing that can bring better life is hard work. Younger generations from smaller towns in Serbia still don't get things about democracy and tolerance quite right and so the national conscience about the urge of joining EU in total is not on a very high level as it should be, although the state itself has made some significant breakthroughs.

Now, back to some global subjects about EU...
Some people here denoted that former Russian republics are maybe not ready for joining the EU. I believe (and hope) that those thoughts are not a product of prejudice and that their oppinions are not based only on what CNN or BBC reports in their news - cause (and you must believe me on this, I come from a place with bad reputation - and only reputation) things served by them often don't give the whole picture.

Big and strong EU is a necessity in the world we live. There are several big countries/organisations that are in constant growth and they will become stronger, and by that day Europe has to come up with completed solutions for each and every possible situation. Every part of the teritory is important, every nation that lives between the natural boundaries of the continent will bring a new flavour and none of them is less important then the other cause most countries have rich an long history.

I apologise on this very long post