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Yes its another topic about the European Union
What do you think about the admitance of new member states??Like the forthcoming entry of Romania and Bulgaria.
I would like to know how people in the EU think about them and there entry.
In my country people think that its acceptance would bring them economic prosperity and most of them we'll be paid with the same salary as those people in the EU...Is this pure stupidity, naivity or is something real about that??

Depends on if the countries that joined a few years back got more money etc.
Don't know myself, but it's a good indication as to what will happen over there.

Yeah from what i see they remain the same

I don't like the fact that former Russian republics all join the European Union. Most joining states aren't ready for that. They just drag down the health of our EU community. They should only be allowed if it's really proven that they're ready for it. Another problem is when they join, the borders are opened. So it's easy for, let's say a Bulgarian immigrant to come to Belgium. Coming here, they don't find a job and they make profit of our wealth programme, securing everyone in need of money. That's what bothers me most. don't you think so too?

The fact they are allowed to join is proof that they are ready. Do you have anything to back up your claims that the new countries bring down the health of the EU?

What makes a Bulgarian less entitled to a decent living than a Belgian?
You cannot choose what kind of environment you are born into.

That decent living will be obtained for them if they come to the richer parts of the EU. That's what I have problems with. I have no problems with joining countries which are ready for that. But when you see the Bulgarian system, or another country, they're surely not! To me, their economical system has to be adapted to that of the rest of the EU, which is not the case.

wijsje wrote:That decent living will be obtained for them if they come to the richer parts of the EU. That's what I have problems with. I have no problems with joining countries which are ready for that. But when you see the Bulgarian system, or another country, they're surely not! To me, their economical system has to be adapted to that of the rest of the EU, which is not the case.

How about taking this up with the EU? It's not Bulgaria's fault they are let in..

wijsje wrote:But when you see the Bulgarian system, or another country, they're surely not!

What exactly do you know about Bulgaria? Serously, I'm curious.

Well firstly i live in Romania and Bulgaria is our closest neighbour so i now a lot about thse two countries wijsje and they are not russian republics neither they were in the past time affirming that proves that you know nothing of thse two countries.
And perssonaly i think we are ready for integration and i think the EU is also about helping the poorer countrys then you. I find your attitude xenophobic

I just take Bulgaria as an example. It could have been Azerbeidzjan as well, if you know what I mean. I didn't want to offend any of you, but that's just what I think about it, and many people here (including many of the West-European ministers). The entrance of new states shouldn't be negative for our economic power.

Enough of this now. Something else I'd like to ask. Another question that's rising here in the West:

What about a united European army?
I personally think that's a great idea!

I don't feel ofended . It's interesting for me how do we look (the Bulgarians) in the eyes of the rest of the world.

First of all, there are too many gipsy people in Spain and Portugal. These type of people are not used to work very much and usually are stealing whatever can be stolen and live from wealth programs, just like wijsje said. However there are lots of people who have good education and want to work outside Bulgaria because they think that will be paid much better.

European army ... don't know. Sound nice, however hard to be done. Maybe it will be done in the future.

An european united army would be almost impossible to create , mainly because the union is seperated between the american suuport group (best example England) and the states that would probably like this idea (best example France and Germany). I think this is more sci fi than reality but i would love to see it happen, finnaly something to counter the US
How bout starting a thread of your own with this cuz i dont want this thread to be drafted from the main idea

I didn't want to offend any of you

apology accepted wijsje

Never mind the last part i created a new thread myself about your subject

Some elected people in the European Union want to go even further in uniting Europe. You may have heard from the idea that within a time-limit a United States of Europe should be created, taken the example of the United States of America. This is too ridiculous for words, in my opinion! Countries and civilians would loose their unique identity, and that shouldn't happen.
I mean, imagine: Finnish, Bulgarian and Belgian people that live in the same country...

Sorry wijsje but that sounds awfully appealing to me, it would be great to call you a conational!!!!!!

a lot of ppl insouth bulgaria already use EURO ( € )
because of greeks, who spend a lot of money there