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Hi All..
Firefox is guud..just wanna try the IE 7 what the new feature is on...but firefox simply the best..

mahard

Firefox rules ))
Better security, options to select gui (themes), faster download manager...
IE sucks, low security protections, IE7 bad GUI, everything is mixed in windows, tabs not working good In global way...Firefox rules

I actually like Opera's theme handling more then Firefox, since Opera doesn't require a restart to apply the theme, and as far as I've noticed, Opera install themes quite much faster then Firefox, but Opera still lacks some features which makes it not worth using for me.

Another thing that I don't like with Opera is that it's shipped with a huge amount of functions, like built-in BitTorrent, IRC, Mail / POP3 etc. etc. I like the idea of a browser which has the necessary things for what it's meant to do; browsing webpages. One example of this is foobar2000, which allowes you to play music and have playlists. If you want any more featues, all you have to do is to download a plugin for it.

Another thing that makes me want to use Firefox instead of Opera is that Firefox is OpenSource, Opera is closed source and commercial.


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Opera isn't commercial anymore.

It's free to use the Opera browser, but they still don't release their source code, and the Opera Moblie Browsers for Smartphones and Pocket PC still costs money.

Surf the full Web on your smartphone or PDA with the award-winning Opera Mobile browser.

Price: EUR 19(including 16% VAT)

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i like firefox, but often find myself on someone else's pc, using friggin IE of some mundane version with 40 windows open.

lately i have been running IE 7beta3, seems decent and i've actually not even installed firefox on this machine as of yet.

I use firefox. It is a very simple, low profile browser. It lets you decide what you want on the tabs, lets you add/move your buttons around, and also ha nice themes and extensions. About the only thing it cant do is read vb script, but who needs that anyway?

What version of firefox is everyone using? I think that's kind of relevant. I personally use lolifox, which is based on the firefox 2.0 branch, which has quite a few improvements over the current 1.5.0.7 release. It's important for browsers to comply with webstandards so web pages can actually render somewhat decently for everyone. When I make a layout, I always hate making it compatible with internet explorer because IE doesnt even support css2. ie7 will actually support css 2.0, but until ie7 is out of beta and the 85% of the internet currently using ie upgrades to ie7, web designing is a nightmare. firefox needs to step up and pass the acid2 test, too. Opera is standard-compliant enough, but opera is commercial and open source stuff needs user support to make it competitive.
Lynx is a good browser with many features as well.

Opera is very good and I have been using it for a very long time but I have to say Firefox as better network options then firefox for security and speed when you get down to the nitty gritty

Internet Explorer does not follow conventions and established proprietary standards which are very irritating for people developing websites for multiple browsers. Internet Explorer has the majority user base of HTTP users meaning developers have to cater for this irritable piece of software.
I personally use Mozilla or Mozilla FireFox because of its extension architecture is flexible.
When I open and use FireFox, I usually keep it open for hours, so the loading time difference between FireFox and Internet Explorer does not worry me.

FireFox also has a faster update period than Internet Explorer.
Critical flaws are usually fixed within mere days, before an update is released.
Internet Explorer can takes weeks or even months to fix problems. I am not saying that FireFox does not have vulnerabilities, what I am saying is that Microsoft has to take more responsibility because of its large user base and its duty to its customers and taking

Firefox;
1)Anything created by ms is evil.
2)Support open source anyway you can.
3)Opera does not release it's source code.


When an application is open source, coders spend their days trying to improve it. With proprietary code, all people want to do is find security exploits.

Use the source Luke, use the source.....

floyd wrote:When an application is open source, coders spend their days trying to improve it. With proprietary code, all people want to do is find security exploits.

Is that the reason firefox has more exploits than Opera?
If you have a small number of users, as many won't try to find an exploit for the program. After firefox became popular it got hit with more and more exploits.

HxC wrote:I have IE right now, i've also used Opera and i like it because you can have all the windows opened in a same program which means that you won't lag that much or things like that.

Firefox has the same feature, multiple windows in tabs. It can be enabled/disabled depends on what you like. It will lag when you have a slow computer.

HxC wrote:A few friends have Firefox though and they say it's the best one, i should give it a try!

Yes, it is. And get rid of IE.

Samppa wrote:

floyd wrote:When an application is open source, coders spend their days trying to improve it. With proprietary code, all people want to do is find security exploits.

Is that the reason firefox has more exploits than Opera?
If you have a small number of users, as many won't try to find an exploit for the program. After firefox became popular it got hit with more and more exploits.

Floyd didn't say that Firefox has less exploits than Opera. Firefox definitly has more; however, it's a lie to say that firefox is now getting 'hit' by exploits. To date I don't there have been any cases of Firefox exploits in the wild. There have been security bugs, but they have been handled fairly well and quickly.

Exploits are a reality, you can do things to prevent them, but every now and then people make mistakes. Nobody knows about them until people discover the bug, and even then nobody is hurt by it unless it's exploited.

In the current situation you have Internet Explorer, which has a very large user base and some pretty dangerous features. As a result it get's a lot of attention; moreover, Microsoft is really slow to patch the vulns, so often a lot of people get hurt. Bad situation.

On the other hand there is Firefox. It has a reasonable user base and it's open source, so it's an easy target, but the Firefox team has built a lot of measures to be able to respond quickly to the problems and their reponses have been very quick. It's a fairly good situation.

Opera is a totally different animal, basically nobody cares. It's closed source which make it hard, and few people use it. It's hard to say whether opera is secure or not because nobody's looking. I would say that your probably pretty safe though.