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Some people in your own government.

Most likely, we will never learn all the truth. All what we can do is compare the facts (hoping that they are real) and guess. But whether it changes something?

Well, in the end I think it's done by Al Quaida, altrough there are some nice conspiracy theory's.

aRtERy wrote:Some people in your own government.

nighthawk, don't you just love the way people don't listen

Samppa wrote:nighthawk, don't you just love the way people don't listen

It's like the Iraq-was-a-war-for-oil thread all over again.

So three towers in one day all fall in the same way--demolition style--and that doesn't mean anything? All one has to do is watch the footage and it's clearly a demolition. So a plane ran into two of them. The towers were built to withstand that kind of damage. Nevermind the eyewitness accounts of explosions or Larry Silverstein saying he decided to "pull it" referring to WTC7.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/cutter.html


Or the fact that he collected a large amount of insurance money on the towers. Or that he took the policy out a month or two before 9/11.

Oh and this:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ap ... tified.htm

Btw, if I don't give a source, that should only be a good opportunity for one to research this stuff. It's not like I'm making this up.

Let's see, they hauled the metal from the towers off to China, they said they couldn't recover the blackboxes from the planes, and they took the tapes from all (but one) of the security cameras in the area of the Pentagon. Oh and a passport from one of the "hijackers" falls to the ground in perfect conditon. Omg I'm convinced!

But since no amount of evidence to the contrary of the official story seems to matter, maybe the fact that Americans are losing our freedoms left and right is something we can agree on. The Patriot Act, which is one of the worst pieces of legislation in our history, wasn't even read by Congress when they passed it.

Toadail wrote:But since no amount of evidence to the contrary of the official story seems to matter

Nor the evidence for the story

Toadail wrote:So three towers in one day all fall in the same way--demolition style

Well yeah, if you define "demolition style" as falling down.

The towers were built to withstand that kind of damage.

That's impossible. The towers were built to withstand the kind of damage a lplane in the 60s could withstand, not a plane from the 80s.

Nevermind the eyewitness accounts of explosions

You seem to be ignoring the eyewitness accounts regarding the collapse of the towers that contradict what you are saying. Those helicopter pilots, firefighters, and cops definitly are out to cuckhold us all.

Larry Silverstein saying he decided to "pull it" referring to WTC7.

So? To firemen, "pull it" means get the hell out. "I mailed Jowenko BV and asked if 'pull' was an industry term for 'demolish'. They said it wasn't. Implosionworld said the same thing. I run into the same problem when looking into different dictionaries. There is always a distinction made between 'pull down', 'pull away' and 'pull back'. And I have not been able to find one person on the internet who uses this word as a substitute for 'demolish'. So I think it's safe to assume that Larry needs to clarify what he meant, but unfortunately he refuses to do that."

"There is no such phrase in explo-demo. Most likely he meant "pull out" as in have people evacuate. Conventionally, "pull a building" can mean to pre-burn holes in steel beams near the top floor and affix long cables to heavy machinery, which then backs up and causes the structure to lean off its center of gravity and eventually collapse. But this is only possible with buildings about 6-7 stories or smaller. This activity was performed to bring down WTC 6 (Customs) after 9/11 because of the danger in demolishing conventionally."

Quotes from http://web.archive.org/web/200503270524 ... ew.htm#222

Or the fact that he collected a large amount of insurance money on the towers. Or that he took the policy out a month or two before 9/11.

Yeah, when you just RECENTLY come into possession of property, you tend to get insurance on it. Yeah, he collected a large amount of insurance money? Yeah, but that goes to rebuilding at the location. Lets do some simple math. According to http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_52/talkingpoint.html it will take around 8 billion to rebuild. You're also confusing with Silverstein personally taking out insurance and the holding company. Silverstein doesn't get anything. So far, the holding company has received around 4 billion dollars from insurance. Okay... 8 billion - 4 billion = 4 billion net loss. In addition, he's still had to pay the $120 million dollar a year lease for the past three years, even though there are no buildings. (http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/La ... 6dec04.htm)

Now, according to Forbes http://www.forbes.com/2003/09/11/cx_da_ ... stein.html Silverstein didn't even want to get the full amount of insurance that he could have. His investors wanted him to get a $5bill. plan, whilst he wanted a $1.5bill. plan. They ended up compromising at $3.5bill. Now, if he had forknowledge, wouldn't have it been smart for him to milk the extra 1.5bill dollars out?

[qoute]http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified.htm[/quote]
Dubious source at best. FTA: "Evidence mounting that cause first identified on Alex Jones Show led to towers' implosion" Alex Jones show? Sounds legit!

FTA: "...Brigham Young University physicist Professor Steven Jones. Jones said that white phosphorous wasn't powerful enough to cause the implosion but that thermite was the likely culprit." Straw-man, no one is saying the towers imploded.

FTA: "Jones points to a video (click here to watch) which shows a bright yellow molten substance dripping from the south tower minutes before its collapse. Government investigators claimed that this was aluminum from Flight 175 but Jones is adamant that aluminum is silvery in appearance and doesn't turn yellow." That isn't even yellow. It's the same color as the flame.

If Thermite WAS used, then the steel surrounding would have been completely melted, which wasn't the case. The steel weakened not because it was specifically molten, but because it became malleable.

Let's see, they hauled the metal from the towers off to China

No they didn't. Lets watch them processing the rubble to be buried! http://www.hq.usace.army.mil/history/St ... photos.htm After FEMA and the government was done searching through the rubble, it was either buried in landfills or scrapped.

they said they couldn't recover the blackboxes from the planes,

False. They recoved the audio recording from Flight 93, and found the black boxe from 77.

and they took the tapes from all (but one) of the security cameras in the area of the Pentagon.

How does that relate to WTC 1 or 2?

Oh and a passport from one of the "hijackers" falls to the ground in perfect conditon. Omg I'm convinced!

To quote 911myths.org "Our first reaction is why would they bother? What does it add to the story? There was no need to “plant passports”. We’ve never seen anyone say “they must have been on the planes because look, the NYPD found that passport”. It’s completely unnecessary, and is only ever used as evidence of an “inside job”." In case you're inconvinced that something like that can fail to be destroyed, take a look at a NYC street during 9/11. http://911myths.com/Flight_11_Seat_Cushion_Large.jpg Ignore the fact they're looking at a seat cusion and look at the other debris. Lots of paper. Did it come from the plane? Nah, but they did find mail that was on the planes.

On Oct. 12, it arrived inside a second envelope at Mrs. Snyder's modest white house on Main Street here, and the instant she took it out and saw it, she says, ''chills just went over me.'' It was singed and crumpled. A chunk was ripped out, giving the bottom of the envelope she had sent the look of a jagged skyline. Mrs. Snyder's lyrical script had blurred into the scorched paper. The stamp, depicting a World War II sailor embracing a woman welcoming him home, was intact.

Along with the letter was a note: ''To whom it may concern. This was found floating around the street in downtown New York. I am sorry if you suffered any loss in this tragedy. Sincerely, a friend in New York!''

Since then, Mrs. Snyder, a customer service representative at a grocery store, has discovered that she has one of only two pieces of mail known to have been recovered from the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center. At least one auction house has contacted her, saying she could sell the letter for tens of thousands of dollars.

One Letter's Odyssey Helps Mend a Wound
New York Times
December 20, 2001

But since no amount of evidence to the contrary of the official story seems to matter

Indeed, to the contrary. You've rebutted nothing I've said. It's still impossible to wire a building in little more than a week. You havn't touched anything I've shown you to show you the logical fallacies in your argument.

maybe the fact that Americans are losing our freedoms left and right is something we can agree on.

Name a freedom that citizens have lost.

The Patriot Act, which is one of the worst pieces of legislation in our history, wasn't even read by Congress when they passed it.

Jim Crow Laws? 21st Amendment? 3/5ths Compromise? Chinese Exclusion Act? The PA doesn't touch any of those. Are there some parts of it that are a little 'iffy', yeah, but only because judicial law is to messed up in America these days.

So what do you say about "Everybody has to learn sometime's", in contradictory with "Loose change" this movie is actually based on facts only.

The plans where there, the people who made the plans where there.. They had the oppurtinity, so did they take it, or not?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... n+sometime

Sainted wrote:So what do you say about "Everybody has to learn sometime's", in contradictory with "Loose change" this movie is actually based on facts only.

The plans where there, the people who made the plans where there.. They had the oppurtinity, so did they take it, or not?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... n+sometime

I havn't had the time to watch the entire video yet, but I'm intrested. I did however, take a look at the website, crisisinamerica.org, and was disappointed to find that they're saying America is 'becoming' a fascist state. Why must thought provoking ideas from the grassroots require a tin foil hat?

I believe it was a plot in our own government to strike fear in the citizens of the united states and give bush a reason to go to war with the taliban. or something.
Did anyone get the e-mail that was going around about the plane that hit the pentagon? I don't really remember it that well but it showed a hole in it or something and the plane fly ing through it, and a plane wouldn't make just a hole. I'm not sure if I remember correctly, and it was probably just junk but I though I'd bring it up if someone hadn't already, I didn't read all the posts.

Bush did it , so he can have ground for the war and excuse for taking our freedom.Now he is even wiretapping all the communication with the same excuse:terrorists.

Why would you have to give it any thought when the guilty admitted they did it?

How do I know?
Some people on the government say it was al qaeda. I'm getting to believe that but not until they do make lies later and seriously mislead the world. So, I don't believe anyone on this matter, too many lies...

I'm amazed at how many people think our own gov. did it and the reason's they give( which personally i believe that's just a stab in the dark).

I served in the U.S. Marines for 6 years, was in desert storm, We may or may not have reason not to like the leader of that country but not it's people in general.

After all the hell the world and the U.S. went through in WWII, Why the hell would we kill our own people on purpose just to wage war on a small country like Iraq? I think anything is possible but i'm not uneducated in my belief that we wouldnt do that just for oil.

And we dont need world domination, were already a super power.
I do belief we have out stayed our time in Iraq, but as far as goin there in the 1st place? I beleive it was warranted.

the world will never be free of terrorist and security threats but the U.S. doesnt wheel and deal with terrorist so there for i believe we were prvoked.

Al quieda would be my opinion...