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I'll give my opinion after some of you have voted.

Al Qaeda did it.

Saddam? What purpose, he may be a dick, but he ain't stupid or crazy. Besides that majinouhola guy that just got jailed for the attacks said it was Qaeda (or at least didn't say it was anyone else).

U.S government? They may be crazy, but they ain't that crazy, or stupid. And yes, the pentagon attack was a plane, flown by some hijacker.

Aliens? Aliens are too far away to get here, they couldn't live two minutes on Earth, and besides, why bother?


So you may guess what my opinion is.

Samppa wrote:U.S government? They may be crazy, but they ain't that crazy, or stupid.

It's not about how crazy you are. It's all about the money .

Have you guys seen the documentary "Loose Change"? The first time I did it ran away with me, the second time I saw it with a little more skepticism. The only thing I am sure of is that the tape of Bin Laden's confession was faked.

The one thing that really get me about 9/11 is the exploitation of this idea of patriotism. Patriotism to me isn't a rally cry to justify revenge and have blind faith in the government, it is helping the citizens and doing what is best for the nation as a whole so our country doesn't end up in the crapper.

Sorry if this got a little off topic

Well I most definitely say it was elements in our own government. Yes, as Boso said, follow the money! Just cuz you can't conceive of doing that doesn't mean they can't. LOL that object that you see in ONE frame in that horrible video they released a couple weeks ago (which has been out for a few years already) is NOT a plane. I dunno what it is, that's only guessing, but that's not really what to focus on.

What about the way the towers fell in free fall in perfect demolition style? Or the fact that WTC 7 fell the same way and it wasn't even damaged. What a sick joke. I could go on for hours but I won't. Loose Change is a great documentary.

Don't be naive, go check out the evidence. Speaking of which, here is some brand new evidence that thermite was used to bring down the towers.

Al Qaeda

honestly i dont think the american govenment had anything to do with this..There wouldnt be a anonymous agreement and something like planning a 9/11 would need a great consenus amoung the planners, and just cause IF dick and george planned it, there advisors wouldnt allow it, it is to barbaric and evil, and they just dont give off that aura. It was some radical group that did 9/11 maybe al queda or maybe some other smaller group. Most likly al queda cause i remember them finding paper work and plans somwhere when they were rading people houses that all led back to al queda leaders or something al quedaish

All about the money? The money they lose in the middle east every day because of the "war" on "terror", or the money that they don't gain from the oil?

Why is laden's confession faked?

How is it not a plane?

The towers fell in perfect demolition style, because in demolitions the supporting walls etc. are destroyed. Effectively, when the plane crashed, the foundings weakened and eventually collapsed under the weight of the top of the tower - the top of the tower gained enough momentum to smash into the lower part and domino!


What is it with conspiracies? What do the americans hate about themselves so much as to believe their leaders would kill thousands so they could wage war without gain?

Samppa wrote:All about the money? The money they lose in the middle east every day because of the "war" on "terror", or the money that they don't gain from the oil?

The money that they are taking from taxes. And also the money that they will invest in Iraq and the cheap oild that they will receive in the future. The fluency that the US gouvernment will have in this region soon.

As i hinted in my post earlier, american leaders are not evil enough to commit or plan such an act as 9/11. You conspricacy theroists who think that they did plan it are not thinking logically. You merely want to create something to be against, in this case US government, mainly bush. Your hatred towards him for past events and his descsions should not make you develop such accusations that his adminstriation planned 9/11. Save you analysis skills to something more practical, like Aleins in Area 51 or something.

I'll keep this short because I hate debating 9/11 over the internet, it's just a pain in the ass.

Loose Change is all bullshit - If you believe in it, take the time and read through this http://www.911myths.com/911_loose_change_2_guide_1.doc

If you're a conspiracy theorist in general regarding it, read this http://911myths.com/

And if you don't believe the Pentagon was struck by a plane, read this http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911 ... dence.html

If you're curious in general, read this http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm

If I can impart any knowledge on some of you it's this:

Don't believe conspiracy theories just because you can find one camera angle that supports your view, if you take the time to look at it from all angles, you'll find that everything is pretty straight forward.


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Now, I'll just try to ask some questions regarding what others have said, in specifics.

Toadail; the towers DIDN'T fall at freefall speed, if they had the dust and debris wouldn't have fallen faster then the towers themselves. The WTC 7 tower was EXTREMELY damaged, the Loose Change documentary only shows pictures from one side of the building, but the other was clearly damaged.
They also had bomb dogs in the WTC buildings two weeks before the 9/11 attacks. It is LOGISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to rig two buildings of that size in that short amount of time with explosives.

cap: Here's the alledged photo that "is not" Osama bin Laden.


Well, here's a screenshot from the same video.

You can find more companion photos at http://www.911myths.com/html/fake_video.html

Follow the money? Before 9/11 the Department of Defense's budget had been consistently cut since the end of the Cold War, in fact, 2002 was the first year it had gone up in many years.

/ugh, I already wrote more than I said I would.

nighthawk wrote:I hate debating 9/11 over the internet, it's just a pain in the ass.

Something I can agree with you about

For me, as what I had heard on the radio and seen on the news on TV that day of attack, Al Qaeda did it.

I'm not looking for a reason to say our govt. did it, it is the fact that there is NO evidence that Al Qaeda did it. They "knew" Osama did it one day after? Yeah right. WTC 7 wasn't even hit by a plane, and it fell demolition style...

http://judicial-inc.biz/Madrid_skyscraper.htm

Don't you find it strange that the WTC towers are the ONLY ones in history to fall from damage? The Madrid tower burned for 16 hours or something like that and it didn't fall.

Give me a break. Those who deny that our govt. did it are just in denial or some other reason.

And no, the whole government wasn't involved, that's why they had drills on THE day of 9/11 about the same exact situation. The people thought it was a drill.

Let's say, just for fun, that people in our govt. didn't do it. At the very least they let it happen. Take a look at PNAC... "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor."

Maybe you'll tell me that PNAC isn't real either? Hahaha.

Toadail wrote:I'm not looking for a reason to say our govt. did it, it is the fact that there is NO evidence that Al Qaeda did it.

They admitted to it? They gave money to the people who did it?

Toadail wrote:They "knew" Osama did it one day after?

Strawman. They didn't "know". In fact, it was pure speculation for a while who did it, a number of groups took credit. Then you know, Osama took credit for it. That kinda nailed the casket.

Yeah right. WTC 7 wasn't even hit by a plane, and it fell demolition style...

Because looks like a controlled demolition. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." Quote from Popular Mechanics article in turn quoting NIST.

Firefighters, police, etc are consistently quoted after the initial confusion as saying there was a ton of damage. The Firefighters knew it was screwed. But then, it's easier to search in PrisonPlanet.

You also realize that WTC 7 was NY's emergency preparedness center, and as such they stored over 45,000 gallons of diesel fuel in the building? That may be a problem... (CNN).

Toadail wrote:http://judicial-inc.biz/Madrid_skyscraper.htm

Don't you find it strange that the WTC towers are the ONLY ones in history to fall from damage? The Madrid tower burned for 16 hours or something like that and it didn't fall.

The Madrid tower wasn't hit by a plane. That link you have me also suggests that Israel did it. Oh noes t3h Jews r hax0ring our government!
Honestly though, it's stupid to compare the WTC building to any other destroyed building, unless you can provide a counter example of a tower that was hit by a 7 series jet and survived.

Give me a break. Those who deny that our govt. did it are just in denial or some other reason.

Why are you so quick to say the government did it? Are you even aware of what the Government's official position on it is? Have you even read the reports etc, or are you just basing this off of some internet stuff?

And no, the whole government wasn't involved, that's why they had drills on THE day of 9/11 about the same exact situation. The people thought it was a drill.

Source. How come no one else in the entire media reported this?

Oh wait, I assume you're talking about the Norad Drills? You also realize that NORAND is jointly run by both the US and Canada, so Canada's in this as well now, as well as those lying Firemen from NY.

To quote what the drill was; "[Norad was engaging in an excersise]which postulated a bomber attack from the former Soviet Union"

Sounds a lot like 9/11.

In fact, NORAD was over staffed on 9/11 for this very reason. More top personnel where there to make decisions. The problem lays with the FAA, not Norad. The most forewarning anyone in the military got about any of the hijacking was 9 minutes.

Let's say, just for fun, that people in our govt. didn't do it. At the very least they let it happen. Take a look at PNAC... "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor."

Wow, you do realise the PNAC was a PUBLISHED document outlining how US Defense funding has gone down the gutter? Such a secret document? O RLY! If the government has something the hide, they don't let everyone read about it during the 2000 election. Have you read the entire PNAC document?

Maybe you'll tell me that PNAC isn't real either? Hahaha.

No, read above. I'm just don't find misinterprepting public documents to be that great of an intellectual excersise.[/img]