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Amarel wrote:PHP is a programming language because are functions.

Thats the worst statement ever that doesn't make sense.
PHP is mainly Server Side Scripting

PHP = Scripting

bart416 wrote:

Amarel wrote:PHP is a programming language because are functions.

Thats the worst statement ever that doesn't make sense.
PHP is mainly Server Side Scripting

PHP = Scripting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paradoxes
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=learn+grammar&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
http://www.englishdaily626.com/grammar.php

-pcweirdo.

Sometimes I get angry at other people's superior methods and write Makefiles to call Perl scripts to compile my own homebrew jibberish into PHP code. Does that make my jibberish a "programming language" and PHP a "scripting language", like machine code? Maybe, but I never was very good at logic.

Yes. Your Jiberish is a programming language, you wrote a Your Jiberish compiler in Perl, and php is is a tokenized executable.

Therefore:
Your Jiberish = programming language
Perl = compiler
gcc = compiler
gcc is written in c
Perl is written in c
php is written in c
c was written in fortran

I had a point but then I lost it.

I voted yes, Allthough I don't really know the technicalities of it.

I just think PHP is a great language.

selket wrote:

Sometimes I get angry at other people's superior methods and write Makefiles to call Perl scripts to compile my own homebrew jibberish into PHP code. Does that make my jibberish a "programming language" and PHP a "scripting language", like machine code? Maybe, but I never was very good at logic.

Yes. Your Jiberish is a programming language, you wrote a Your Jiberish compiler in Perl, and php is is a tokenized executable.

Therefore:
Your Jiberish = programming language
Perl = compiler
gcc = compiler
gcc is written in c
Perl is written in c
php is written in c
c was written in fortran

I had a point but then I lost it.

C isn't written in fortran
Thats an even worse statement

C isn't written in anything.
C is a programming language specefication.
A compiler needs to read the code using the standart C libraries and convert it to Assembly. The Assembly code is then converted to machine language and then a linker puts all the 'parts' on a 'line'.
And writes it to a storage device.

GCC is written in C
PHP is based of the Zend Engine that was mainly written in C++ if i don't mistake.
Perl is written in C and maybe newer versions in C++

Perl & PHP aren't compilers
Perl & PHP are interpreters.
PHP started of as a set of Perl functions actually.
Perl and PHP have a lott in common.
Well had, PHP 5 is definate break from Perl in my opinion.
Since PHP 3, PHP is stand-alone.

PHP works like this:

1)Read in script
2)Convert it to some other language that parses faster
3)IF errors occured: STOP; Else go on
4)Parse script & write output, on error stop execution immediatly and don't return 0 (What kind a stands for Execution went perfect)

Perl works on a similar way but Perl is rather robust and has a lott more power in its core. Perl was designed for consoles.
PHP was designed as server side scripting language for web pages.

And Perl is indeed the compiler in this case.
But nothing else is the compiler. Except GCC that compiled Perl & PHP and the older GCC compiled the new GCC but thats another story

And pcweirdo, one thing that i want to say to you: GFKY
If you want to insult people like this then you don't need to post on a forum in my opinion. Basicly its annoying and you're shouting at somebody that allready has problems writing his own language cause of a language disorder he has.

bart416 wrote:C isn't written in fortran
Thats an even worse statement

C isn't written in anything.

Actually you could say, C is written in C . At least glibc which is afaik the core of C used by GCC is mainly based on C and probably some assembler.

@Topic:
you can, as you can see, debate on that for hours. It depends on the end of the definiton of scripting and programming language.

Imho would be a scripting language one that is directly interpreted and not compiled into bytecode. Since PHP is first compiled into bytecode (btw. like most of the other "scripting languages" like perl, tcl, etc. too) and then executed, so you should be able to savely call it a programming language.

De Kus wrote:Imho would be a scripting language one that is directly interpreted and not compiled into bytecode. Since PHP is first compiled into bytecode (btw. like most of the other "scripting languages" like perl, tcl, etc. too) and then executed, so you should be able to savely call it a programming language.

and what compiler is that? i havent heard about php compilers just yet. maybe you mean to say, pass it on an interpreter. programming != scripting,

coding-----programming
|
|
scripting

does it make sense? i cant make ascii diagrams here lol

sigchld wrote:i cant make ascii diagrams here lol

There's a code tag if that helps. Sometimes it makes everything neatly line up.

For example:

Code: Select all

Coding
|
+- Programming
|      |
|      +- I love ASCII
|
+- Scripting
|
+- Downloading porn

  (/(/
  ('.')
`(__)'

Come to think of it, the code tag doesn't do that much. I suppose what you need is a monospace font.

For one particular PHP "compiler": http://www.roadsend.com/home/index.php? ... D=compiler

-pcweirdo.

I have always regarded it as a programming language, even though technically speaking its a scripting language.

PHP is a programming language, but it's made for the web and it does that well.

PHP Server-Side Scripting Language. PHP stands for PHP Hypertext Preprocessor.

PHP started as a quick Perl hack written by Rasmus Lerdorf in late 1994. I went to school with one of the Zend author of..Infact we took the course for "designing programming languages" together. He told me that from php4 , PHP satisfies all the criterias for calling itself a self sustained programming language. It was a scripting language but it evolved into a language.

Though most of us use php for serverside "scripting" , it can be very well written to solve a complex solution to a problem which "need not" have anything to do with the web.

De Kus wrote:

bart416 wrote:C isn't written in fortran
Thats an even worse statement

C isn't written in anything.

Actually you could say, C is written in C . At least glibc which is afaik the core of C used by GCC is mainly based on C and probably some assembler.

@Topic:
you can, as you can see, debate on that for hours. It depends on the end of the definiton of scripting and programming language.

Imho would be a scripting language one that is directly interpreted and not compiled into bytecode. Since PHP is first compiled into bytecode (btw. like most of the other "scripting languages" like perl, tcl, etc. too) and then executed, so you should be able to savely call it a programming language.

It goes this way:
The first OS was written in machine language by a human.
Very simple thing.
They also made a compiler for that OS.
And wrote a new more advanced compiler and so on.
Assembly was probably the first language that was possible after machine language.

Anyway, small part of the history of C:

The initial development of C occurred at AT&T Bell Labs between 1969 and 1973; according to Ritchie, the most creative period occurred in 1972. It was named "C" because many of its features were derived from an earlier language called "B." Accounts differ regarding the origins of the name "B": Ken Thompson credits it as being a stripped down version of the BCPL programming language, but he had also created a language called Bon in honor of his wife Bonnie.

(From Wikipedia)


Anyway, PHP isn't really compiled in most cases.
Actually most php 'compilers' tend to put the code in a storage array and just throw it trough the php parser that is build into it.

Perl Monks: PHP - it's "training wheels without the bike" -- Randal L. Schwartz

couldnt agree more.

YES and there isnt discusion

lol, yea php is a language , why wouldn't it be