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Samppa wrote:

nighthawk wrote:I was pointing the overall hypocrisy of the Mexian political platform regarding immigration workers. Why are their illegal workers deserving of rights that illegals in their own nation don't even get?

Err:

Meant Mexican illegals in America rights vs. South American illegals in Mexico rights.

Samppa wrote:Altough it's not the world's business what will happen, it would still be a good move for international popularity.

Since when have Americans cared?
Seriously though, a government can exist with domestic support and internation scorn, but it can't exist with domestic scorn and international support.

nighthawk wrote:

Samppa wrote:

nighthawk wrote:I was pointing the overall hypocrisy of the Mexian political platform regarding immigration workers. Why are their illegal workers deserving of rights that illegals in their own nation don't even get?

Err:

Meant Mexican illegals in America rights vs. South American illegals in Mexico rights.

And I meant

Samppa wrote:Looks pretty bad, but are you going to stoop to their [the Mexicans] level or set an example? Mexico could justify the actions [that you described] further in the future if the greatest country in the world [USA] does not take kindly to illegals.

nighthawk wrote:

Samppa wrote:Altough it's not the world's business what will happen, it would still be a good move for international popularity.

Since when have Americans cared?
Seriously though, a government can exist with domestic support and internation scorn, but it can't exist with domestic scorn and international support.

It depends on the definition of scorn, if it were to go so far as boycotts and stopping trade.
As you said, the economy is partly based on the illegals, so rough times ahead then if they are deported? The government seems to be screwed either way then.

Samppa wrote:Looks pretty bad, but are you going to stoop to their [the Mexicans] level or set an example? Mexico could justify the actions [that you described] further in the future if the greatest country in the world [USA] does not take kindly to illegals.

I wasn't saying we should. I was sarcastically saying that maybe we wouldn't have an "issue" with illegals if we took the same stance Mexico did. I don't condone killing them or anything of that matter.

It depends on the definition of scorn, if it were to go so far as boycotts and stopping trade.

That in itself doesn't destroy the government. It destroys the people's support. However, as of present time its suicide to embargo the United States. You'd get basically the same problem as if you embargoed China.

As you said, the economy is partly based on the illegals, so rough times ahead then if they are deported? The government seems to be screwed either way then.

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I don't want to deport the illegals. I just want them to stop leeching off of Medical Care and Education.

Love the sig by the way.

nighthawk wrote:

Samppa wrote:Looks pretty bad, but are you going to stoop to their [the Mexicans] level or set an example? Mexico could justify the actions [that you described] further in the future if the greatest country in the world [USA] does not take kindly to illegals.

I wasn't saying we should. I was sarcastically saying that maybe we wouldn't have an "issue" with illegals if we took the same stance Mexico did. I don't condone killing them or anything of that matter.

Which in turn would fuel the Mexican stance further. At least they wouldn't be stopping any time soon. Sarcastically like

nighthawk wrote:

It depends on the definition of scorn, if it were to go so far as boycotts and stopping trade.

That in itself doesn't destroy the government. It destroys the people's support.

Which in turn destroys the government.

nighthawk wrote:

As you said, the economy is partly based on the illegals, so rough times ahead then if they are deported? The government seems to be screwed either way then.

I don't want to deport the illegals. I just want them to stop leeching off of Medical Care and Education.

Deny human rights from people in need and you will get a bucket of chit thrown at you from everywhere. Too bad the US wouldn't care and no one could do anything but whine about it

nighthawk wrote:Love the sig by the way.

If you're being sarcastic screw you, if not, so do I

The illegal immigration problem is out of control. I'm all for letting them enter the country and go through all the hoops to become a legal citizen, but not for this flood we're seeing. Some of them want to take back the southwestern US (Atzlan, Reconquista anyone?) and some want to kill us.

Try to cross into Mexico and live or work there. Not that you'd want to, but it's not very easy.

We need a single, main language in order to keep the country stable. No, I will not be forced to speak Spanish if I want to do something in America.

So we have outsourcing, insourcing (of illegals) and offshoring. That and our industry sector is almost gone. So we have service and fast food jobs and Wal-Mart. Our country is falling apart!

You do not need a single main language to keep a country stable, there are multiple official languages that are spoken in different areas around a country all over the world. Take, for instance, Canada, Switzerland and Finland.
All stable, with many languages.


The issue is still not about americans moving into mexico.


Mexicans who want to kill you? Say what?


I'll agree with your last sentence though

Samppa wrote:You do not need a single main language to keep a country stable, there are multiple official languages that are spoken in different areas around a country all over the world. Take, for instance, Canada, Switzerland and Finland.
All stable, with many languages.

Canada is predominantly either almost all English, or almost all French. (Quebec vs rest of Canada). Switzerland just gets off by being neutral . I wouldn't exactly picture their situation as ideal, but in Europe you learn many of the neighbor languages anyway, so its not as much of a problem there.

For a counter-example, I'll bring up the Roman Empire. Towards the later stages of the empire, the vulgar latin spoken in the territories was so different, the people had a bugger of a time trying to understand each other. Thats where we get Romance languages by the way.

Yeah well we're not living in ancient Rome


Canada still has two languages spoken in it. Maybe texas will turn mostly spanish speaking, while the rest of u.s. sticks with english




btw, welcome back, we've missed you

Samppa wrote:Yeah well we're not living in ancient Rome

Though some crazy anti-Americans would say so

Samppa wrote:Canada still has two languages spoken in it. Maybe texas will turn mostly spanish speaking, while the rest of u.s. sticks with english

That's fine with me, no one cares about Texas.

Samppa wrote:btw, welcome back, we've missed you

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US is completely made of immigrants, what is there an end cap on top?

Most of the countries existing today on the Earth are comprised of immigrants in one way or another, if you stretch back to the dawn of man.

Altough you'll find this discussion is about illegal immigrants.

Samppa wrote:Most of the countries existing today on the Earth are comprised of immigrants in one way or another, if you stretch back to the dawn of man.

Africa is dismayed by your lack of sensitivity.

well hmm america was started by immigrants not native americans and there not harming our country. so wtf do people want them to leave

Will wrote:

Samppa wrote:Most of the countries existing today on the Earth are comprised of immigrants in one way or another, if you stretch back to the dawn of man.

Africa is dismayed by your lack of sensitivity.

I, err.. They are?
Ya lost me there buddy.

Illegal immigrants come here because they receive jobs that pay many times more than those in their home countries, their children born here will get an excellent education for free, and they can (if they defraud the government) receive free social services. Until these incentives are removed, illegals will continue to come into America at any cost.