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Wow there are so many comment's here how do i add to it,A lot of good point's.
I would prefere Democracy because as an idea i think it's the best form of government,it is supossed to allow for the people who live in the country to decide what happen's and for government to carry out the people's wishes.

And because i see that no government will ever be perfect there are alot of ways you could run a country.

I agree without taxes and being a active member of any society nothing get's done and more than likely "we the people" suffer for it.And our children as well.

I really dont like political debate's but at some point you have to ask you government official's "why did i vote for you,you only lied a little less than the last guy".
I mean this may be extreme but think about it,,has any country ever had a ruler be it a monarch,,president,,prime minister that has'nt been in it for some kind of gain and lied to get there?

Anyway i think all point's are taken,,by me anyway,ive just got a lust for life and freedom which we all have so little of if you think about it.

But im glad i found a place to talk to people about issue's like this,even if everyone doesnt see eye to eye,it's nice to see that we dont just sit back and take things the way they are without an opinion in any country.

Just my thought's..

I hate to sound old here but, Democracy is the only real and
civil way of Government.

Democracy, Is Government voted by the people for the people!.

For those who voted for democracy, I'd be intrested why you voted for democracy specifically, and not a republic.

nighthawk wrote:For those who voted for democracy, I'd be intrested why you voted for democracy specifically, and not a republic.

Because a democracy is direct rule by the people, whereas a republic is rule by elected officials. With the people themselves actually voting on every issue and deciding on laws, whatever happens truly is the will of the people.

Bugs42 wrote:Because a democracy is direct rule by the people, whereas a republic is rule by elected officials. With the people themselves actually voting on every issue and deciding on laws, whatever happens truly is the will of the people.

I know that, but democracy never worked

I voted for democracy because if a government is to lead and control its people, then it must be decided by the people. If people are stupid and their direct democracy eliminates them, then natural selection is working its magic.

anarchy, because there isn`t a ideal government!

ohh anarchy and democracy are winning
I'm anarchist, but I'm not revolutionary. I think that all the people must to want the anarchy for it works. With revolution many people will be against this new system, so it didn't work fine.

I voted for the dictatorship as democracy has many flows and in my opinion should be a bit more limited, especially in the freedom of speech (call me crazy but in my country the media has defied many times the unwritten laws of ettiquette, intimacy and in many ways propagates racist and subversive ideas all of course still in conjunction with the laws given by our republics governement).
A strong man with great moral ideals, exeptionally inteligent and full of virtues could handle the affairs of a state in the interest of all its people. Unfortunately such a man i dought will ever exist; all of them have flaws:Napoleon, Castro, Lenin; all had there flaws although they really folowed the interest of there people (of course they followed there own interest as well as that of the people but ussually that doesnt surpass that of the people--besides who would not due that in the same situation). Bad image to dictatorship is given to it by men who are the total oposite of the ideal man i have described.
Dictatorship is risky: you cuold end up with a madman or a man you would follow to the end of the earth!

Bugs42 wrote:I voted anarchy simply because there is no ideal form of government. There are flaws in everything. Anything with one ruler/a few rulers is obviously easily abused. Democracy/Republic don't work because people are idiots. Socialism/Communism don't work because people are greedy and lazy.

If I did have to choose a form of actual government, I'd said democracy though, simply because it's the fairest and most resistant to radical change/abuse.

I agree that there is no ideal form of government, but anarchy is not quite the answer though. You do need the government for some very basic functions, such as personal security and justice ensurance.
All that anarchy offers is chaos if somebody with power (personal, military,..) has an interest in running other's lifes, which, I think would include a lot of people (people are mostly evil and greedy when it comes to it - I agree with Hobbes on this one). And when such chaos happen the end is normally tyrrany, which is not cool either (just imagine what Will will do when he becomes one )

If people are ideal ( i.e. rid of all humanly evils and scoring 9.99 on a 10 pts goodness scale), then anarchy's fine. But by the time people are ideal like that, the idea of government itself is pointless, since there's nobody who needs to be governed anymore.

A lot of people normally need to be governed to function decently, but if government goes above ensuring the basic needs (personal security and ensuring justice among 2 or more persons, as well as others), then it becomes a burden on the welfare of the people.

Historically, I think a moderate (-ly powered) republic has proved to be pretty successful at this (and I believe most nations are as of present), and that's what I voted for.

my 2 cents!

edit: just saw this:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/02/fatal. ... topstories
( Vigilante mob allegedly beats, kills wrong man) (1-0 rep anarchy)

dama wrote:(people are mostly evil and greedy when it comes to it - I agree with Hobbes on this one).

There was a psychological test once, a group of people were divided into two groups, the guards and the prisoners. The object was to see what will happen within the groups etc., but the test had to be called off in a few days for the prisoners' security, as the guards became dictators and the prisoners started to hate the guards.

Even though the people involved were normal, the situation went to their head and started to misuse their power. A fine example of what power will do to anyone.

lol @ all the anarchy ones, it does appeal alot to me actually

no i voted socialism cos i think it would be interesting to see how that worked out.

Bugs42 wrote:I voted anarchy simply because there is no ideal form of government. There are flaws in everything. Anything with one ruler/a few rulers is obviously easily abused. Democracy/Republic don't work because people are idiots. Socialism/Communism don't work because people are greedy and lazy.

If I did have to choose a form of actual government, I'd said democracy though, simply because it's the fairest and most resistant to radical change/abuse.

Because of that same reason you stated there at the end, I voted Democracy.

"Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried."

~ Winston Churchill

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. I think the worst form of government is a theocracy. It's not that I have a problem with religion, but us humans are uncurably sinful, and power corupts. Combining the authority of both the state and the church is a recepie for disaster. For Tolkien fans, think "Galadriel and the One Ring".