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Stay on topic, sirs.

What I'm saying is, they don't need hands-on training, all they need to do is read a few articles off the internet, and they have the knowledge needed for a shell.
By all means, after they have a clue what a shell is, and what you can do with one, let them have a shell.

It's not much asked to actually read what unix is, and how to use one, it's fifteen minutes of your time before applying. If you have no idea what a shell is, there is no way you will learn anything about it without reading up.
You take classes before an exam, you learn theory before getting to drive, you learn what a shell is before you apply for one.

By noobs, I'm referring to people who are "interested in linux and so forth and just found this site and you have thought to yourself 'wow free shell i can learn alot here'".


And to stay on subject, how about:

Are you familiar with shell accounts?
-Yes
-A little
-No

On answering no, point them to google and tell them to try agin in fifteen minutes.

Users new to unix should definately get the chance to own a shell, because that is how they will learn to use unix.

As well as forcing the user to learn the rules (or at least state them), I think the questions should also make the user learn about the environment they are about to enter.

So you should have rule questions such as

How many IRC related background processes can you run?
1
2 *
3
4
none

Which service daemon may you run from your shell?
ircd
natd
ftpd
none *

How many warnings will you get if you are found perfoming illegal/harmful acts on this system?
no warning - the account will be deleted without warning *
1 warning
2 warnings
3 warnings

But you should also have questions that get the user learning how to use unix. So that if they don't know, then they start to learn. For anyone that already knows unix, this should be easy, but for those that don't it will force them to RTFM, just so they don't do silly things when they get their shell out of pure ignorance. Re: googling answers - isn't that how people learn?

Questions like:

What command do you use to move a file:
cp
mv *
cd
rm
rn
ls
dir

what command do you use to rename a file:
rn
rm
dir
cp
ls
cd
mv *

What command do you use to view the contents of your file system:
rm
dir
cp
mv
ls *
rn
cd

what command do you use to change directory:
etc

then even some questions that make the user look things up - to prove they are capable of looking up information on their own:

what does PERL stand for:
Personal Executable Related Language
Practical Extraction and Report Language *
Practical and Educational Rules Limited
PERfect Language

What does the command unregister_tick_function in PHP do:
Deregisters the function named *
Resets the system clock
Deregisters all alarms
Resets the function

something like that - to prove they can regurgitate the rules, that they won't get lost on initial login, and that they have enough aptitude to learn things on their own.

I forgot to add a few things..

man

a question that makes them learn the wonders of man!

If I type "man man" into the shell I get what response?
Syntax Error
man: Command not found.
Stack overflow
Access to a help system that covers all commands in UNIX, specifially man in this case *
core dumped......syncing disks.....sunk

Has it been discussed what the pass rate should be to get access? Is it 100%? On the rules I see that as manditory.

Also the answers should change position every time, so you can't just memorize (and post) answers like 1a, 2b, 3a, 4d etc

But you should also have questions that get the user learning how to use unix. So that if they don't know, then they start to learn. For anyone that already knows unix, this should be easy, but for those that don't it will force them to RTFM, just so they don't do silly things when they get their shell out of pure ignorance. Re: googling answers - isn't that how people learn?

That's what I'm saying..

Boso wrote:

Samppa wrote:I don't see why technical noobs should be given a shell?

Why driver noobs should be given a car?

Everybody was a newbie once. Don't forget that!

good point there Samppa, yes everyone is a newbie once, and yes someone is always better than you, its like schoo, you a noob when you first go but your there 2 learn.
if you had to pass a test or research before you could actually get into a school half the people in the world would never get into school, things are made to learn, if u have to actually get hands on to learn then so be it..

just thinks of giving noobs a shell as starting a new employee, they have 2 learn hands on or they are never going to properly experience what its like to actually do it, yea they also so do some research so its easier for them 2.

Brendan

please one question

chatting or forum discussion are like to you
1. passion
2. time pass
3.way of discussion

What does IRC mean?

1.In real time chat
2.Internet relay chat
3.Nothing
4.I don`t know and i don`t care

a^2 + 2ab + b^2 = ...?

1.(a+b)^2
2.(a-b)^2
3(a+b)x(a+b)

correct: 1

lol, what's the last question about? Testing the IQ or something

pretty basic math, but do we really need it?

What does PHP means?

1.Professional Home Page
2.Personal Home Page
3.Hypertext Preprocessor

Choice 3

what if you people just submit your own questions related with phoenix for the admins to review, but i think it would be a hassle for the admins part. what do you think xogo?
or they could just be active on #phoenix and make it grow and even better, put a link banner from their site as a requirement or how about telemarketing?

if the admins were to read EVERY question given to them to allow new users it would be a none stop day for them. I'm sure they do a hell of a lot of work as it is for the network.

How much exploits can you run on this shell?
- one
- two
- i can't