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Is it necessairly to be written as a Java applet?

Whats your suggested alternative?

of course if you should happen to know of any other way that doesn't require the user to have java installed, it would be much better (as java can be a real bitch at times...those variables just love disaperaing when you need them the most)

Tim wrote:Whats your suggested alternative?

Flash animation..?

funman wrote:of course if you should happen to know of any other way that doesn't require the user to have java installed, it would be much better (as java can be a real bitch at times...those variables just love disaperaing when you need them the most)

Just because you had ALOT of trouble doing so on linux :p

burek, you think you can do that using flash?

as far as i can understand you it has to be a (java/php/asp) bot, hanging on irc channells & waiting for "!accept" & "!check" commands with basic chatting possibilities, doesn't it?

Well, dont know about Java solutions but you have pretty nice CGI solutions which are client independent and have a mIRC look & feel... Try googling for IRC-CGI.
It has all you need...

No, we don't want an IRC client, it is not to show in any way that it has anything to do with IRC, the IRC protocol is convienient to my staff therefore I want it working that way rather than requiring my staff members to remain connected to another source.

http://www.pjirc.com/main.php

pjirc's pretty good ^_^

Tim wrote:Unless you actually help with the project I doubt anyone here will ever see it implemented as its something me and funman are working on however we have very limited (ie. little to no) knowlege of java. It may sound useless but I guarantee it isn't for what we need it for, we can leave it there with that though.

Anyone able to do something like this or knows someone who can?

Mite for the irc part ... but it'll be slow because I have been pretty sick (carpal tunnel sydrome and cubital tunnel sydrome) and still juggling a job - bills have to paid ...

But I definitely don;t understand your staff commands ...

You could strip down/modify the open source irc client snirc (java applet)
http://sourceforge.net/projects/snirc/

Although you would have to script a join alias or something to ensure that the client joined the correct channel on the !accept command. Gagging the !check and !accept text in the applet should be easy enough.

I would however recommend that you take the time to modify an ircd and make them /check and /accept command as the server can transfer both clients into a private channel, obtain the required information from the client and have better network access to the computer where the applet is run.

There are a few problems with this approach. Firewalls might block irc access for the end user, they might not have java or flash support as mentioned earlier, and when using irc it is harder to gather the information in a central location.

There should be no need to reinvent the wheel. At my work, we use a web based real time chat that relies on asp pages wich refreshes itself for updates. This way we do not run into an issue with proxies, firewalls, java, flash or javascript and we can modify the asp code to fetch any information from a central sql server on demand or automagically. We also have a wrapper client for it that sits in the systray and plays sound on incomming requests. We can transfer to/from departments, have template support for FAQs etc etc. A quick google for live chat support system (throw in open source if you don't want to pay for it) should give you plently of options to consider.

MERLiiN

I'd love to write it, but in C++ or TCL it's worthless. =)

Hi,
have Java knowledge but no time...

Never programmed an IRC client, but if something working exists i think it's easier to modify it (guess).

But heard something of db. Did a lot with java and databases, and have a lot of java code for it - if it's useful / needed i will post some snippets.

Will someone prog it now or not? If yes: perhaps i can answer specific questions? (no time - studying).
And by the way: would CGI a solution? I think there will eventually be more people who like progging it. An example is (musn't be a good one): CGI:IRC. Saw it here: http://www.omena.org/cgi-bin/irc.cgi

Noname_13th wrote:And by the way: would CGI a solution? I think there will eventually be more people who like progging it. An example is (musn't be a good one): CGI:IRC. Saw it here: http://www.omena.org/cgi-bin/irc.cgi

Not in this case. It should be client-side, I guess.

Java ?!? What is Java ? HehE this was a fun.
I chat with Java ( sometimes ) but i don't like it very mutch ..