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Sup everyone -- I'm eNathan. I stumbled upon you're website as I was looking for a free shell account service. I am a software engineer / web designer / hacker. I have been using Windows since I first got a computer -- 4 years ago -- and I have concluded that, if I want to further improve my hacking skills, I have to learn how to operate Unix-based systems =p

So, I figured, yous seem like a great community! Why not start here

gg ;o

hello eNathan, welcome

"engineer / web designer / hacker", with your 4 years of exp. you are not , what you claim to be (lol) you are lame if you thing that.
Even the best hackers don't say "hey am a hacker"
you should have deep knowledge of this matter and be very skilled and others will say "look he's a hacker"

and farther more you want account to improve hacking skills (lol)
nobody will give you one.

and you say that explicitly.

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The term 'hacker' has been misused greatly in society today. A hacker does not have to refer to someone who breaks and cracks into things for fun or to damage other peoples equipment. A hacker can mean just someone that is experienced in a certain topic, which can be used for good [and evil in some cases]. I feel comfortable calling myself as a hacker, as I code in many open source projects and help progress society in the knowledge of computer science. (I am a linux hacker, I am a firefox hacker, I am an inspircd hacker) A hacker could also be someone that wants to learn.
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Moral of the ramble: don't judge a person by letting them tell you they are a hacker. A hacker can be a good thing or a bad thing. Using the unix shell for learning and legitimate uses is fine, and encouraged.

The question is, are you here to learn, or are you here to break into others?

A hacker does not have to refer to someone who breaks and cracks into things for fun or to damage other peoples equipment

indeed, that's why there is classification:

White hats
Gray hats
Black hats

And all of them represent certain characters witch have their own morals of hacking

A hacker could also be someone that wants to learn.

hacker should allready have much knowledge, and keep learning

don't judge a person by letting them tell you they are a hacker

come on, with 4 years of experience it is weak to say that.
In that period you can learn a lot but, not enough to call yourself a hacker.

Your minds is interesting I thought that hackers are bad men who do bad for people (something like steal they money from their credit cards end etc.) Thanks for information. And... Why eNathan don't install linux/bsd/unix on his own box?

crack0 wrote:hello eNathan, welcome

"engineer / web designer / hacker", with your 4 years of exp. you are not , what you claim to be (lol) you are lame if you thing that.
Even the best hackers don't say "hey am a hacker"
you should have deep knowledge of this matter and be very skilled and others will say "look he's a hacker"

and farther more you want account to improve hacking skills (lol)
nobody will give you one.

and you say that explicitly.

As many pointed out, you should read the definition of a "hacker." I feel comfortable calling myself a hacker after four years, because, well . . I know alot =p to put it in lamen terms for you.. but a hacker is indeed not "a guy with glasses who has been hacking for 20 years and has defaced many websites." A hacker is, simply put, one who wants to figure things out.

I'm not really looking for a shell account here anymore, btw -- I figure I should get some paid hosting that comes with it.

crack0 wrote:don't judge a person by letting them tell you they are a hacker


come on, with 4 years of experience it is weak to say that.
In that period you can learn a lot but, not enough to call yourself a hacker.

That depends . . how much can you learn in four years? If I had a life, I wouldn't learn much . . considering that I read article after article all day -- have programmed for 15 hours straight, eating virtually nothing and only drinking coffee and smoking (standard day) -- spent my entire summer vacation programming a software-level internet protocol while only stepping outside no more than 5 times, and moreover constantly looping around my sleep schedule from day to night in order to spend more productive time "on the computer", it's indeed safe to say that "how much can you learn in four years" is very relavent to the individual.

With that said -- watch what you say, crack0; Though I understand how you probably think your so 1337 and have the right to classify people as "hackers" or "n00bs" based upon "years of expo" and the fact that I proudly call myself a "hacker" despite it's social definition and misuse. Should I have came in here and said "hello, im a noob with only 4 years of expo, but WAIT, I can PROVE im a hacker without using the actual word!!"?

Sigutis, I have a Ubuntu setup on a dual boot.

Anyway, didnt mean to dramatize the forums or anything..

Regaurds,
eNathan

As many pointed out, you should read the definition of a "hacker."

today word hacker is corrupted that's all a will say about definition of a hacker.

As for the rest, it is natural to let someone else proclaim you as a hacker... however if you are comfortable use it, but I don't agree

crack0 wrote:today word hacker is corrupted that's all a will say about definition of a hacker.

Agreed. But, for those who accept it's *traditional*definition, those people are on a high level imho.

crack0 wrote:As for the rest, it is natural to let someone else proclaim you as a hacker... however if you are comfortable use it, but I don't agree

I've been called a hacker by A) Other hackers B) Friends C) Law Enforcement & school officials (yes, ive done evil things >_<), etc. And moreover, if you were not to keep the traditional definition of a hacker (that is, website defacer / evildoer), I would technically fall into that category also I've done my fair share activities (without using milw0rm scripts either =p).

Anyway, I think it's about time this thread be put to an end.

enjoy ur 1337 h4x0ring life, crack0

Hmm, nice response.

People come forth, say stuff. Everybody does. Other people dick with them, often severly.

I like someone who can take it and dick back at somebody.

Welcome to Phoenix

let's say thats true and end this conversation

pm me your hotmail address so we shall discuss