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Hello Folks!

Well , I don't know if this topic fits in here (gonna assume it does) but I thought this question is useful and worth asking and probably future ppl who might join will benefit from it too..

the question actually is rather simple : WHat are the restrictions on the shell account @ phoenix-networks.org?
in other words : How much bandwith can I have on the shell (up/down) ?
can I make outgoing/incoming connections? and on which ports ? etc
How many processes can I run (background , forehand)
how much disk space , memory and cpu cycles are available for each shell?
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and Q's like those , I'd appreciate very much any clearance that can be given , cuz you know ppl would like to know what they're getting at last!

Netmaster

Netmaster wrote:How much bandwith can I have on the shell (up/down) ?

No restriction

can I make outgoing/incoming connections? and on which ports ? etc

You may use any non-standard ports over 1024, incoming and outgoing connections are fine. No server daemons without permission (like IRCd, httpd, shoutcast, etc). psybnc's are limited to 1 user with any number of outgoing connections.

How many processes can I run (background , forehand)

5 background, 20 foreground

how much disk space , memory and cpu cycles are available for each shell?

Standard account right now has 500mb disk space, 60 mins of CPU time, no real memory restrictions by default

This will change somewhat in the near future as we make some more changes, but all shells will be upgradable to that level and beyond if you don't start out at that level.

Hi Tim and thank you for the input !
btw , I must admit that you're very generous regarding the resources you're giving to the free shells (i.e 500 mb's wow that's alot ! ) thumbs up

but since I'm not an expert in unix (so far) , I still have an urging question concerning the server daemon issue...
first of all , what are server daemons ?
AFAIK , those daemons are background processes that listen to a given port for incoming connections (correct me if I'm mistaken)
so do you mean that incoming connections need no permission incase the server program is not running in background mode?

...and thanks

Netmaster

phoenix is simply the BEST in free shell services.

what are server daemons ?

See here.

Or did you mean this Daemon?

See here.

to be honest , I've already asked wiki (usually I always do so before asking) but I'd like to hear a somehow "simpler" answer that a not-so-familiar unix user like me can grasp.
I guess if I had a running shell then the learning process would be mucher easier and faster since you learn by practice rather than just in theory...
so far i've only gained some basic unix knowledge from tutorials and very restrictive shell accounts which mostly don't allow you to do anything useful other than create/delete directories , set up websites and/or messing with some stupid text editors

anyways , what I wanted to get sure of is whether i can run my own code that listens to a port (doesn't matter which one) in order to accept incoming connections from clients etc..

any further infos are gratefully accepted!

Or did you mean this Daemon?

besides the metaphysical definition of the term , yes
..lol

Netmaster

Netmaster wrote:I guess if I had a running shell then the learning process would be mucher easier and faster since you learn by practice rather than just in theory...
so far i've only gained some basic unix knowledge from tutorials and very restrictive shell accounts which mostly don't allow you to do anything useful other than create/delete directories , set up websites and/or messing with some stupid text editors

anyways , what I wanted to get sure of is whether i can run my own code that listens to a port (doesn't matter which one) in order to accept

Background processes listening for any incoming connections are usually defined as Daemons. Tim would probably be referring to programs (other than psybnc, an IRC bouncer program) that listen for internet connections, of any sort - locally or otherwise. Usually system based IPC calls and whatnot would probably not be defined as a server Daemon:

A server is a computer system that provides services to other computing systems—called clients—over a computer network.

Talk to Tim or another admin if you want to use anything that fits into that [broad] category.
Hope that clears things up for you.

OK , guess now I'm getting close to understand it
appreciating the help

Netmaster

Bandwidth has no limit, but that is not an invitation to host 3gb mirrors and illegal downloads

krod wrote:Bandwidth has no limit, but that is not an invitation to host 3gb mirrors and illegal downloads

You can't host a 3gb mirror with 500mb of disk space

Eh, well, you get my point.

Tim wrote:

krod wrote:Bandwidth has no limit, but that is not an invitation to host 3gb mirrors and illegal downloads

You can't host a 3gb mirror with 500mb of disk space

LOL guess there's no need for a shell to do that anyway .

Tavy wrote:

what are server daemons ?

Or did you mean this Daemon?

wait, I've always thought this is the server daemon !_!