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Zombies: Believe it or not?

Postby godo11 on Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:08 pm

How Zombies work
It happens in just about every zombie movie -- a throng of reanimated corpses lumbers toward the farmhouse, shopping mall, pub or army base where the heroes have barricaded themselves. The zombies aren't dead, but they should be. They're relentless and oblivious to pain, and they continue to attack even after losing limbs. Usually, anyone the zombies kill returns as a zombie, so they quickly evolve from a nuisance to a plague.
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Like a lot of monsters, zombies have their roots in folklore and -- according to some researchers -- in real events in Haiti. In this article, we'll discuss Haitian zombies, explore depictions of zombies in films and video games and review the best course of action for surviving an attack.

Did you know that...
There are several possible origins for the word "zombie." These include jumbie, the West Indian term for "ghost," and nzambi, the Kongo word meaning "spirit of a dead person."


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Haitian Zombies

Zombies are common in Haitian stories and folklore. Researchers studying Haitian culture have related countless tales of bodies brought back to life by bokor, or voodoo sorcerers. These zombies are mindless slaves. They are not self-aware and are not particularly dangerous unless fed salt, which restores their senses. These stories are widespread and similar to urban legends -- they prey on the listener's deepest fears and seem believable in spite of their improbability.
Even after documenting numerous stories and rumors, researchers found little solid evidence to explain or prove the phenomenon. Often, the alleged zombies had received little or no medical care before their apparent deaths. Researchers also had trouble ruling out mistaken identity and fraud.

In 1980, a man appeared in a rural Haitian village. He claimed to be Clairvius Narcisse, who had died in Albert Schweitzer Hospital in Deschapelles, Haiti on May 2, 1962. Narcisse described being conscious but paralyzed during his presumed death - he had even seen the doctor cover his face with a sheet. Narcisse claimed that a bokor had resurrected him and made him a zombie.

Since the hospital had documented Narcisse's illness and death, scientists viewed him as a potential proof for Haitian zombies. Narcisse answered questions about his family and childhood that not even a close friend could have known. Eventually, his family and many outside observers agreed that he was a zombie returned to life.

Narcisse was the impetus for the Zombie Project -- a study into the origins of zombies conducted in Haiti between 1982 and 1984. During that time, ethnobotanist and anthropologist Dr. Wade Davis traveled through Haiti in the hopes of discovering what causes Haitian zombies.
Next, we'll look at what Davis discovered.


Did you know that...
Voodoo is a Haitian religion rooted in West African traditions. Also called voudou, vodun or voudoun, it bears little resemblance to voodoo as depicted in popular culture.


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Haitian Zombie Powder
Davis traveled to Haiti at the request of Dr. Nathan S. Kline, who theorized that a drug was responsible for Narcisse's experiences as a zombie. Since such a drug could have medical uses, particularly in the field of anesthesiology, Kline hoped to gather samples, analyze them and determine how they worked.
Davis learned that Haitians who believed in zombies believed that a bokor's sorcery -- not a poison or a drug -- created them. According to local lore, a bokor captures a victim's ti bon ange, or the part of the soul directly connected to an individual, to create a zombie. But during his research, Davis discovered that the bokor used complex powders, made from dried and ground plants and animals, in their rituals.

Davis collected eight samples of this zombie powder in four regions of Haiti. Their ingredients were not identical, but seven of the eight samples had four ingredients in common:
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A puffer fish, an ingredient in zombie powder

-One or more species of puffer fish, which often contain a deadly neurotoxin called tetrodotoxin
-marine toad (Bufo marinus), which produces numerous toxic substances [/list]
-hyla tree frog (Osteopilus dominicensis), which secretes an irritating (but not deadly) substance
-Human remains

In addition, the powders contained other plant and animal ingredients, like lizards and spiders, which would be likely to irritate the skin. Some even included ground glass.

The use of puffer fish intrigued Davis. Tetrodotoxin causes paralysis and death, and victims of tetrodotoxin poisoning often remain conscious until just before death. The paralysis prevents them from reacting to stimuli -- much like what Clairvius Narcisse described about his own death. Doctors have also documented cases in which people ingested tetrodotoxin and appeared dead but eventually made a complete recovery

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Bufo marinus, an ingredient in zombie powder.


Davis theorized that the powder, applied topically, created irritation and breaks in the victim's skin. The tetrodotoxin could then pass into the bloodstream, paralyzing the victim and causing him to appear dead. The family would bury the victim, and the bokor would remove the body from the grave. If all had gone well, the poison would wear off and the victim would believe himself to be a zombie.

Did you know that...
According to Haitian folklore, feeding salt to a zombie will return it to its senses. Often the zombie then attacks the bokor who created it or returns to its place of burial and dies. Ironically, tetrodotoxin works by blocking the sodium channels in muscle and nerve cells. However, there is no known cure for tetrodotoxin poisoning, and the amount of sodium in a few grains of salt is unlikely to have any physiological effect on a poisoned person.


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Postby tarbosaurus_geticus on Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:17 pm

yeah i knew this stuff from where did you get it though????
wikipedia??
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Postby silentguy on Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:51 pm

Hm, I had some vague ideas about this stuff...
you really should mention that you just copy/pasted us the first three pages of http://people.howstuffworks.com/zombie.htm cause if you don't thats Plagiarism and copyvio, and we don't want that, do we Wink

but i must say, howstuffworks seems rather interesting =)
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Postby godo11 on Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:01 am

hey silentguy, want some brain? yeah i know, ur a zombie.
http://www.brains4zombies.com/
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Postby zogo on Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:21 am

hey godo11, want to get unbanned? come to irc and we can talk about it...
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Postby tarbosaurus_geticus on Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:17 am

http://people.howstuffworks.com ill note that for myself though i dont like that site . Sorry for the ban man...
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Postby Tim on Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:33 am

zogo wrote:hey godo11, want to get unbanned? come to irc and we can talk about it...
http://www.phoenix-network.org

Has it ever occured to you that the ban is inplace to stop him accessing the forum, which does limit his ability to view your post?
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Postby debeaxcc on Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:36 am

godo11 wrote:hey silentguy, want some brain? yeah i know, ur a zombie.
http://www.brains4zombies.com/

Looks like godo11 has little little flames, hey I bet you can throw more than that. Better read the rules next it. Wink
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