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How about that? What kind of humans would do somethink like this? To blow up some hundreds peoples just for a religious or some other kind of reason?I don`t think is something normal in our days Planet. This is a fact but is it reasonably?

Yep I agree with you. I personally also can't understand these guys.....

What kind of humans would do somethink like this?

//EDIT: the following statement of mine is refined in my 3rd post of this thread
I don't believe humans have any type of 'conscience', which tells them what right is and what wrong is.
The person who planned the bombings was a Islamic extremist. He, since birth, has been taught Islamic extremist believes. He thinks that attacks such as September 11th are rightful, and are necessary in order to gain eternal life.

Is he to blame, for what he has been taught to him his entire life?

If you take it this way i believe is wright but i still strongly condemn this kind of bevahiour

i think its distorted idealism

just like the crusades, killing in the name of God and all that..

laws of men not laws of God..but they strongly believed God wants them to do so..

sayuz wrote:If you take it this way i believe is wright but i still strongly condemn this kind of bevahiour

Don't get me wrong, I am totally against terrorist attacks.

krod wrote:

What kind of humans would do somethink like this?

I don't believe humans have any type of 'conscience', which tells them what right is and what wrong is.
The person who planned the bombings was a Islamic extremist. He, since birth, has been taught Islamic extremist believes. He thinks that attacks such as September 11th are rightful, and are necessary in order to gain eternal life.

Is he to blame, for what he has been taught to him his entire life?

People can still change and not follow the things that some guy teach him. I think most people do have a feeling that tells them what's right and what's wrong. Even if he has been taught Islamic extremist beliefs, can't he open his eyes and look around the rest of the world?

krod wrote:I don't believe humans have any type of 'conscience', which tells them what right is and what wrong is.

Let me refine my statement, I do believe people have a conscience, but, it is developed over time, and is not constant.

People can still change and not follow the things that some guy teach him.

Certainly, my teachers at school teach me a lot of things I do not believe.

But, I was not talking just about some guy, I am talking about their parent's and their entire community.

I think most people do have a feeling that tells them what's right and what's wrong

What is defined as 'right' and 'wrong'?
There is no concrete definition of right and wrong ingrained in every one's head.
If it were a constant, there would be no debate about ethical controversial subjects, such as abortion and capital punishment.
The point is, one's environment (mostly during childhood) influences one's perception of what is right and wrong.

Rommaster wrote:

krod wrote:

What kind of humans would do somethink like this?

I don't believe humans have any type of 'conscience', which tells them what right is and what wrong is.
The person who planned the bombings was a Islamic extremist. He, since birth, has been taught Islamic extremist believes. He thinks that attacks such as September 11th are rightful, and are necessary in order to gain eternal life.

Is he to blame, for what he has been taught to him his entire life?

People can still change and not follow the things that some guy teach him. I think most people do have a feeling that tells them what's right and what's wrong. Even if he has been taught Islamic extremist beliefs, can't he open his eyes and look around the rest of the world?

As they say we are living in the last days:(

i just thought to one thing! What if this terorism attacks are just the begining for a new Worl War! What then? What will we do to stop something like this! Beeing smarter and gooder would help? teaching others what humanity means would work! What`s the value of the human spirit today? A religious belive like this one (islamic) is healthy or we(ppls of the world)can help and teach eachother beeing good to eachother?

krod wrote:

krod wrote: I don't believe humans have any type of 'conscience', which tells them what right is and what wrong is.

Let me refine my statement, I do believe people have a conscience, but, it is developed over time, and is not constant.

People can still change and not follow the things that some guy teach him.

Certainly, my teachers at school teach me a lot of things I do not believe.

But, I was not talking just about some guy, I am talking about their parent's and their entire community.

I think most people do have a feeling that tells them what's right and what's wrong

What is defined as 'right' and 'wrong'?
There is no concrete definition of right and wrong ingrained in every one's head.
If it were a constant, there would be no debate about ethical controversial subjects, such as abortion and capital punishment.
The point is, one's environment (mostly during childhood) influences one's perception of what is right and wrong.

The guy I was talking about was meant to be a terrorist that teaches a child the way of thinking like a terrorist. Of course that's the same like someone else teaching the child other 'not-so-cool' stuff, but I think only a small part of the parents have a 'negative' terrorism-like way to raise their child. But then again, that's probably the way of their parents who raised the parents of the child. Or the situation they're in. So yeah their parents and community do have a big influence to a child's way of thinking and acting. But then, there's a part about the feeling of 'right and wrong'.

The part about the feeling 'right' and 'wrong'. I still think people have some sort of conscience, so they have feeling (ok not right and wrong) something's not fishy about how they are raised and how they think differently from people in the other countries. If they have that "feeling", it doesn't mean that they are good or bad people. They can still ignore it.
Like when a mother wants to get an abortion. Don't they feel like they are removing their own child. Mothers have a bond with their own children. So when they abort one, most normal mothers will get a bad feeling about it. Not just like "Ok, I'm going to abort my child today, fun fun fun!" The feeling about if it's 'right' or 'wrong' to abort their baby.

Rommaster wrote:The feeling about if it's 'right' or 'wrong' to abort their baby.

You're assuming the women weren't brought up to believe abortion is wrong though..


As for what kind of human can do this, I say what krod says.
And I'll add anyone who thinks the security checks are a nuisance can go get blown up somewhere else then.

The people that should be blamed and more targeted are the preachers who preach twisted islamic religon.

They're are a taking a perfectly good religon and twisiting it to be the fuel for other people to use.
And these people that are using it are usually people on the brink of depression or something bad has happened to them, things like that.
They look for a reason to do something, and these preachers give them a reason to do it.

Remember most muslims are not bad at all. They are the victims. Even people who are not even muslims or even middle eastern are victims. People with a brown complextion get vicitimized also like shit. I mean imagine being brown and taking a flight... soooooo uncomfortable.

/me dreads taking a flight to texas in two weeks :\

krod wrote:

What kind of humans would do somethink like this?

//EDIT: the following statement of mine is refined in my 3rd post of this thread
I don't believe humans have any type of 'conscience', which tells them what right is and what wrong is.
The person who planned the bombings was a Islamic extremist. He, since birth, has been taught Islamic extremist believes. He thinks that attacks such as September 11th are rightful, and are necessary in order to gain eternal life.

Is he to blame, for what he has been taught to him his entire life?

If you believe that there is such a thing as "blame" then yes he shares the blame but is possibly less culpable because of ignorance, abuse or other factors. In using terms like "blame" though you are making the case for the existance of conscience not the opposite. At any rate there are all kinds of cascading difficulties for someone who does not believe in conscience and right & wrong....