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Did anyone see the Windows Vista speech recognition problems they had while they were having that conference? It was quite funny, I'm sure M$ wasn't too happy.

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i will try to resist any new windows version as long as possible...i'm really scared by hardware requirements and implemented security and digital rights management systems of vista. by the way: the vista look sucks.

hard enough the fact that windows wastes amounts of system power to display its UI and masses of services, vista will do the same

icarus wrote:i will try to resist any new windows version as long as possible...i'm really scared by hardware requirements and implemented security and digital rights management systems of vista. by the way: the vista look sucks.

hard enough the fact that windows wastes amounts of system power to display its UI and masses of services, vista will do the same

I have to agree with icarus on that one. And, what with microsoft making most hardware manufacturers impliment drm into their products, what will become of linux? If I were MS, I would work to get rid of my open source competition as quickly as possible. I think it's highly likely that alot of DRM equipped hardware will not allow linux to be run on it. I do furvently hope however, that some manufacturers will resist this trend and still build "normal hardware".

i just hope that until vista finally comes out i would have been migrated form windows to any other unix-like os

icarus wrote:i will try to resist any new windows version as long as possible...i'm really scared by hardware requirements and implemented security and digital rights management systems of vista. by the way: the vista look sucks.

hard enough the fact that windows wastes amounts of system power to display its UI and masses of services, vista will do the same

I completely agree.

Also, keep in mind that Microsoft talks big, but rarely deliver. I remember the XP hype. Does anyone else remember? They were claiming more stability, performance boosts, and pushed the NTFS file system, claiming that it would improve performance (which, from my experience, barely makes any difference in performance). In the end, it was just Windows 2000 with a new UI and more annoying system messages that try to help you, but end up annoying most users. It also included Windows Messenger, which delivered spam right to your desktop.
It wasn't until SP2 that Windows XP began to feel like a new OS to me. In any case, it was still unstable, and still crashed.
I can't see Vista turning out much differently. Within a month after its release, we'll see a flurry of security patches and a bunch of new viruses.
DRM also scares me. A lot of times, DRM backfires and actually denies you access to your rightfully owned files. However, most of all, it gives Windows an unfair advantage over Linux, since, most likely, hardware vendors will only supply drivers and support to Microsoft.

I can already see what Vista will be: a hulking giant that hungers for system resources. Linux is more stable and better looking than Windows ever will be. It's sad how Microsoft has such a grip on the market. It seems that Linux has grown in popularity recently, and is improving at a rapid rate. I hope that as new products custom tailored for Vista roll out, Linux programmers will be hard at work developing drivers for them.

The problem is, Linux has no PR campaign, and if it did, all the distros would just confuse everyone.
imho, one of the problems of Linux is the vast amount of distros available. Yes it is good to have a choice, but when you are new to Linux and you try to pick a distro, you are overwhelmed.

Also, I read a good article on the Back of Linux Format magazine (as a side note, the clerk looked at me suspiciously when I bought it ). It was about the number of distros, and how there was no collaberation. I'll present the example the article had:

"Fedora Core 5 has an excellent system update tool. It's a small window that shows all the packages you need to download to stay up to date. Suse 10.1 has an excellent system update tool. It's a small window that shows all the packages you need to download to stay up to date. Ubuntu Dapper Drake has an excellent.. you get the point.

They each look identical, yet they've each been developed independently. How can this be? When Linux is the shining example of what you can achieve with collaboration, why is there so little of it between the companies we rely on?"


A great question, and what the article asked for, was "a single, cross-platform app installation tool. We need unified menus, themes, icons and pointers. And we need a simple way to update the system or configure the firewall. And we want every distribution to use the same tools.".

It could certainly give Microsoft a run for their money.

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bat wrote:I think it's highly likely that alot of DRM equipped hardware will not allow linux to be run on it. I do furvently hope however, that some manufacturers will resist this trend and still build "normal hardware".

That would be extremely difficult to do as open source developers will attempt to make it work with their systems regardless, also the hardware manufacturers don't care what OS is running they just want to sell their product, it doesn't make business sense to limit it like that.

Nintendud wrote:Also, keep in mind that Microsoft talks big, but rarely deliver. I remember the XP hype. Does anyone else remember? They were claiming more stability, performance boosts, and pushed the NTFS file system, claiming that it would improve performance (which, from my experience, barely makes any difference in performance).

Give their x64 product a try, it delivers their promises amazingly. Vista x64 will most likely do exactly the same, unfortunate that it will only allow signed drivers...that said it will improve stability even more so its a positive thing too.

Nintendud wrote:I can't see Vista turning out much differently. Within a month after its release, we'll see a flurry of security patches and a bunch of new viruses.

If you changed the positions (and pretended there was only one Linux distro for convienience sake) you would most likely find exactly the same thing happening. As Microsoft has the market share there will always be more people looking for (and finding) issues with their products, bugs and security holes are also found in unix software however it is not as frequent mostly because there aren't as many people there to find them through ordinary use.

Regarding the performance issues:
Microsoft is a buisness company ,it wants people to frequently buy hardware ,that`s why it`s making it`s OS require more hardware ,maybe it has some "secret agreement" with Intel and/or AMD.

From my expiriance with Windows XP:
A default and original windows xp installation makes an ultra slow windows ,you need minimum 256 MB Ram to handle it ,it makes incredible big page files and other things.But there are minimalistic versions of windows that are not from M$ ,for example there is one called TinyXp ,it`s iso is 150M ,pretty small I know ,but what`s it missing?nothing that an avarage user needs ,you can play games surf the net and do anything with it ,and it uses only 40 MB Ram ,so you can run it even with 64 MB Ram.This is pretty interesting ,looks like M$ makes windows slow on purpose ,puts in it a million memory hungry services that you never use ,just to make you spend your money on harware ,this will not change...

Regarding the the unix-type distros:
There are a variety of distros because the user must have the freedom to chose ,every distro has it`s personality and goal ,for example SuSe is for networking ,Ubuntu is for home users ,and so on.And if you develop a program ,you can simply compile it on all big distros ,today it`s not that hard ,all you need is a vmware and that`s it.

One more thing:
Linux is user-friendly not idiot-friendly.

What a interesting interface... But i'm not sure if our Videocards will agree with this affirmation... They're, probably overdeveloping, and filling with alot of inutile things... =/... Hope it doesn't eat the computer resources...

Vista will be good for the hardware industry. Will hopefully get more buisnesses to upgrade their systems and this will make computer parts nice and cheap for everyone. Thing is it will probably take quite a while for the companies to move over to it so im not sure how long it will take.

Vista runs quite nice on my hardware, but I'm not impressed at all, I was a lot more impressed by XGL technology on kororra. So i'm giving vista thumbs down, for that hardware requirements it should do a lot more.

ludakot wrote:Vista runs quite nice on my hardware, but I'm not impressed at all, I was a lot more impressed by XGL technology on kororra. So i'm giving vista thumbs down, for that hardware requirements it should do a lot more.

Vista has no features that motivates these hardware requierments ,it`s just bloated and badly organized and coded.