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Hey I'm not sure if this applies to anyone but if you want a free website provider the best one I have found would have to be www.freehostia.com by far they provide perl,mysql,php scripts aloud to be run which most providers can't boast.

Also, if your not great at making websites but want something that looks nice try this http://www.joomla.org I guess it would be called a Content Management System (CMS) it's quite nice and really easy to get started.

Looks tempting, although we do have our own webhosting here ...

I'd say ours is probably better for most people since you also have shell access too :P

Not only that, but if we make a quick analysis:

Phoenix vs Them:
Disk Space
500MB vs 250MB

MySQL
2 db vs 1 db*
*They set a 10MB limit to the db, Phoenix doesn't care so long as it doesn't exceed the 500MB quota

Coding
Perl, PHP, Python, C/++, Java vs Perl, PHP

Domains
1 domain vs 1 domain + 5 subs

Bandwidth
4GB vs 5GB

Price
Free vs Free

Expiration:
Unlimited vs 1-Year Renewal

It looks like they only "outperform" us on subdomains and bandwidth, but when are you going to use 4GB, much less 5? And personally, I have enough difficultly using 1 domain effieciently, what would I possibly do with 1 + 5 subs?

In a nutshell: Phoenix pwnz :D

CMS is really the best for begginers. It is clean, easy to use and good for latter progression

m4rk0 wrote:CMS is really the best for begginers. It is clean, easy to use and good for latter progression

Yep it discouragees beginers to learn php/html and anything.

And yes phoenix pwnz all.

DjDarkman wrote:

m4rk0 wrote:CMS is really the best for begginers. It is clean, easy to use and good for latter progression

Yep it discouragees beginers to learn php/html and anything.

What`s the bad part in that?

Samppa wrote:

DjDarkman wrote:

m4rk0 wrote:CMS is really the best for begginers. It is clean, easy to use and good for latter progression

Yep it discouragees beginers to learn php/html and anything.

What`s the bad part in that?

What`s bad to be dependent on scripts that other people write?
For example your site is not original ,unless you do some hacking ,but without knowlage of php html that is impossible.So people can say ,that they are simmilar sites to yours ,and there goes the originality.And people can say that this webmaster can only use the work of other`s.

Black hat hackers often target these scripts ,because theye`re very popular and easy to find a security hole ,since they are very complicated and open source.So you will alway`s have to update wich is sometimes painfull.The good part in your own CMS is that the "bad guys" don`t know how it works ,so they can only try general exploiting ,but if it`s well written they have no chance.

And with your own CMS ,you can make things small and simple ,and everything works the way you want it and your webpage looks the way you like it.

I`m not trying to discourage people to use scripts that other people write ,but the site`s core shouldn`t be made of these things.I myself use a counter script named bbclone (I needed to hack it up a little bit to make it work the way I want it),but the CMS of my site is my work ,it`s a simple one wich I can make work the way I want.

i personalyti i love joomla i use it in all of my sites

I've tried couple of CMS's put i never get it up and running 100% simply because i just can't stand WYSIWY I wan't to write all files myself, much easier

And like right now i'm working on the core of me and a m8's upcoming site, wich right now runs a vBulletin board, and i hate vBulletin, it's to big and pretty hard to customize, therefor we make our own scripts
and we rock or that's atleast what we think

CMS is best

IMO, both CMS and learn hand coding or WYSIWYG are good. They both have purposes.

Easy websites then yes, CMS and learning the curves of hacking, improving will provide a process learning for a begginer.