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The title really says it all but there should be a law requiring IRCd services with IRCd, specifically when it comes to nick services.

Why?

I completely disagree actually, IRC services are much too dominating, nicknames and channels should remain on their first come first serve basis. Things like nickname services allow people to "reserve" (or steal) names from other users permanently. This isn't how IRC should be.

That said, I have no issue with their use should a network so desire to use them. I just don't like some of the concepts.

Tim wrote:Why?

I completely disagree actually, IRC services are much too dominating, nicknames and channels should remain on their first come first serve basis. Things like nickname services allow people to "reserve" (or steal) names from other users permanently. This isn't how IRC should be.

That said, I have no issue with their use should a network so desire to use them. I just don't like some of the concepts.

IRC services are to prevent people from stealing names permently or stealing them at all for that matter and it works on a first come first serve basis as does any service, so I have to admit that I really see no logic in your dislike for them, if someone registered the name then it's not stealing they were the first to register it and thus it is theirs.

It's quite trival to have a bot take someones name while they go off to bed and leave it up to keep their nick from them for an indefinite amount of time.

Why should IRC be that way as opposed to any other services, like these forums for example or email or even domain names?

IRC services are extremely important. Some of us cannot remain online 24/7 to hold our nicknames, and nickname services allow us to keep our nicknames and ghost imposters. A network without services is like a hardware store without screws. It just doesn't make sense to me.

As for channel services, those are extremely important to protect your channel. As I've stated, a lot of people cannot remain online 24/7 and need the reassurance that when they get back online their channel will be intact with no takeovers. I don't see why anyone would be opposed to such services when they are extremely important.

Also, without nickname registration, it is easier for people to steal your nickname. They will just wait for an opportunity for you to be offline and change to your nickname. Nickname services allow you to auto-kill these people who cannot identify themselves within a specific time period.

The only way your nickname will be stolen is if someone is imitating you on another network where you have never been and have never registered your nickname. Or, if you've been offline for a month and your nickname has expired.

Frankly, whatever. You have your opinion, I have mine.

Look at efnet, it runs extremely well with no nickname services and only extremely basic channel ones.

Tim wrote:Frankly, whatever. You have your opinion, I have mine.

Look at efnet, it runs extremely well with no nickname services and only extremely basic channel ones.

Fair enough, we can argee to disagree on some things.

However, does your opinion include the fact that I am not required to be on efnet and I am required to be on Anoxs?

Are you also taking into consideration that you have enough power to defend your nickname there while others do not?

Thus it makes sense to me to be validly indentified on the network for this purpose and have my nick defended, but then that's just me perhaps.

What's so great about having the same nick? If it's taken, use a similar one and notify people you're you.

Tim wrote:Frankly, whatever. You have your opinion, I have mine.

Look at efnet, it runs extremely well with no nickname services and only extremely basic channel ones.

I totally agree with you, Tim. Network services are too dominating. I am an EFNet user. xP

Nicknames are not a very big issue. Most EFNet users recognize other users by ident and hostname anyways.

Organized channels are a little harder for beginners to maintain on EFNet. I believe this is why most people like network services. Eggdrop botnets are used to do Chanserv's job. Botnets can also hold nicknames. CHANFIX is the only channel service on EFNet which requires installed ident server and static hostname on the client to work.

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http://www.efnet.org/chanfix/

I believe some people are afraid of getting their nicknames stolen or channels taken over because they do not have a stable 24/7 connection. I believe they are not ready to run a channel or hold a nickname without this type of stable connection if there are no network services. Even with the 24/7 connection, they might not be knowledgeable enough to understand how to maintain nickname and channel on a network like EFNet.

I down like very much IRC services...i like that i can use any nick on irc network, like undernet irc network...IRC Services limits users ability to speek, do thinks...I prefere irc servers without irc services...

This is my think, i dont know for others