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What do you guys think about the things going on in the middle east, especially with the new conflict between Lebanon and Israel.

Personally I believe that Israel is turning very American and thinks that they should be allowed to capture lebonese troops and have no consequence.

I think that they should be allowed to fight some, but this conflict will not be over until one of the people's are extinct. I believe this is the starting of a new war, and I'm not sure that it'll be a World War III yet but I really hope not. Aren't the Hezbollah involved in that too? Funny, the day after I watch Syriana and hear the name Hezbollah, it's on the front page of the newspaper.

I think that this situation is almost impossible to solve. This is because of the fanatism of the Hezbollah and such fractions. Those guys will stop at nothing, since I know there ultimate goal is to drive Israel into the Mediterinean Sea...

The situation has grown out of control.

No one deserves the 'right' to capture soldiers with malicious intent.

As a peer so accutely observed, "It started with Abraham" I suppose there is nothing that anyone can really do, as the parties in question seem to be quite set on making their opinions of one anothr known.

The UN is essentially powerless, and the best any country can do is to evacuate their own citizens.

Hamaas (sp?) and Hezbollah have to work this out themselves. The problem is that this is unlikely given the existence of multiple factions among these parties involved. It's going to be a war to mutual destruction :/

It could be the next war to hit the Middle East, or it could die down.. Time will tell.

The sad part is U.S.A are backing Israel, so it's up to the two nations to settle it, which could prove to be difficult..

I am not for blanket support of any country per say...but to be fair about it.. ask yourself this question:

If a country or group somewhere started lobbing bombs into your country and had no intention of stopping, what do you think you would do?

I can tell you that the U.S. would take em out and ask questions later.

Ebony5 wrote:Personally I believe that Israel is turning very American and thinks that they should be allowed to capture lebonese troops and have no consequence.

I believe the problem was that Hezbollah captured Israeli troops...

And Israel is currently not engaged in any planned conflict with Lebanese military, only Hezbollah.

The problem is Israel is attacking Lebanon in order to attack Hezbollah.
End result Israel vs. Lebanon.

Well, looks like Israel wants a new strip from Lebanon, they're gathering forces and telling civilians to flee..

And now with most foreigners evacuated, the news coverage will probably slowly edge away into nothingness, even though the confrontation will not.
Anyone heard of Somalia lately? I would guess not.

[quote="And now with most foreigners evacuated, the news coverage will probably slowly edge away into nothingness, even though the confrontation will not.
Anyone heard of Somalia lately? I would guess not.[/quote]

Yes, I also think that but you can expect the Israelian side to still be widely covered ....

I'm not sure about how this story looks like in the US, but in Europe, Belgium, people are really pissed at Israel.

Samppa wrote:Well, looks like Israel wants a new strip from Lebanon, they're gathering forces and telling civilians to flee..

I guess this clusterfuck sure showed them the benefeits of having, and returning, Lebanese land; so they want to try it again.

That being said, yeah the Lebanese government is barely stable enough to hold a legislative roll call; so I expect Israel to invade because frankly they're the only ones with the military power to combat Hezbollah. Is it a wrong PR move? Definitly. Is it justified? Well... somewhat.

I'm not sure about how this story looks like in the US, but in Europe, Belgium, people are really pissed at Israel.

The US media continues its ass kissing of the Israeli government. See, after World War 2, Jewish people get the same kind of priviledges as Africans in America do. Basically, anything bad you say about Israel now makes you a 'Nazi'. It's a PR nightmare, and in America PR is what governs.

nokompranos wrote:I am not for blanket support of any country per say...but to be fair about it.. ask yourself this question:

If a country or group somewhere started lobbing bombs into your country and had no intention of stopping, what do you think you would do?

I can tell you that the U.S. would take em out and ask questions later.

You used the U.S. as one example. What about the many other countries out there?

I haved mixed feelings for this issue as my dad is lebanese but i am american .The way i see it is that 2 captured soldiers does not equal hundreds of civilian casualties , if anything they should have only bombed goverment buildings and not the airport as a lot of people at this moment want to evacuate the city (including some of my cousins and my grandma.But i also think that this is the result of a lot of years of tension finaly culminating into numerous acts of violence,its also a matter of religion fro the jewish and islamic faith have always had arguments through out time

acidflower wrote:You used the U.S. as one example. What about the many other countries out there?

I'd say most others; if they had a military, would do the same thing.

Well I think that the situation in the Middle East is very complex, and it`s very hard to give a solution of the problem. But this situation discribe how stupid can be human, this is not a war on the battlefield it`s in the cities, where a lot of childen die, and nobody of the politican realised that they kill innocent people instead of terrorist or soldiers. And i think that the West should interfere in the conflict but they don`t to this because they hava a profit of that conflict, i don`t know what kind of profit they have, but i`m sure that it`s worth.
And until Israel and Lebonan don`t realised that their contries is going to collapse soon they won`t stop

It would be funny were it not oh so true.. While the rest of the world is calling for an immediate ceasefire, the US is saying Israel has a right to defend itself, whilst supplying the materials.

Will wrote:That being said, yeah the Lebanese government is barely stable enough to hold a legislative roll call; so I expect Israel to invade because frankly they're the only ones with the military power to combat Hezbollah.

What's the motive to combat Hezbollah? The clusterfucking, the 'hostages' or the weak government? In the first instance I'm sure Lebanon could be subdued through international action, if not, bomb the chit out of them. The first action was never taken, so the second is not justified now.
In the second instance, see above. And I have to agree with phaseon about the matter.
Fine, diplomacy may be hard between the countries and may not work, but imo it's the starting point before going off and trying to kill the leader of political party. (sort of like killing zarkawi, no-one cares and there's someone ready to step into his martyred shoes.)
If I'm to believe your quote up there, Israel is invading because they are the only power that can combat the governing body of another independent state? Not only is that statement wrong, I can't understand when it became alright to interfere with the business of another country? To say they are spreading democracy is stupid, every day it's proven in countless countries that the system is in barely working order, restricted by human corruptance.
That's a bit off topic but anyway..

As for which countries would do the same, it really would depend on the countries. If Russia did the same to Finland, we'd put up a hell of a show but we'd be scared stiff to shell them.