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It's not the cartoons, it's the stuff they are told is true in western countries, which are not.
This cartoon protest has nothing to do with the cartoons except that they gave the protest leaders the excuse to get the masses moving. They're burning stuff and boycotting danish products because the cartoons provided an ample opportunity for these leaders to divide the two cultures further and get more terrorists.

And to compare an alabaman hick with the largest newspaper in Denmark is ridiculous.

nighthawk wrote:I can and will blame these so called 'crazy Muslims' because they fail to differentiate between a privately owned newspaper, and the entire Danish Government.

That's like saying you're going to boycott America when some hick down in Alabama makes an unflattering remark. It's preposterous and has nothing to do with the real issue.

Boycott the paper, not the government.

Fanatics will always go to extremes to make their point, even though i totally agree with you nighthawk. You just have to accept that this is the way these people (not intended negatively) are, this system of thought has been engrained into them since the time they were born, an anti west mentality. Blaming a newspaper will not further that cause, but blaming a western government certainly will Its like trying to convince a rich capatilist as to the advantages of socialism

BanditZA wrote:IFanatics will always go to extremes to make their point, even though i totally agree with you nighthawk. You just have to accept that this is the way these people (not intended negatively) are, this system of thought has been engrained into them since the time they were born, an anti west mentality. Blaming a newspaper will not further that cause, but blaming a western government certainly will Smile Its like trying to convince a rich capatilist as to the advantages of socialism

Exactly. It's an example of exploiting a situation for your own goals.

Samppa wrote:It's not the cartoons, it's the stuff they are told is true in western countries, which are not.

What is not true about the Western reporting of the issues?

Samppa wrote:This cartoon protest has nothing to do with the cartoons except that they gave the protest leaders the excuse to get the masses moving. They're burning stuff and boycotting danish products because the cartoons provided an ample opportunity for these leaders to divide the two cultures further and get more terrorists.

And that's a good thing? You're basically agreeing with me that it's a pointless thing to get up about. And using something as 'harmless' as this (because lets face it, no one was hurt until the fundamentalists started torching everything) to stir up trouble is not good.

And I seem to be confused how a 'cartoon protest' can have nothing to do with 'cartoons'. :/

And to compare an alabaman hick with the largest newspaper in Denmark is ridiculous.

No, both are private entities that are allowed their own governmentally sanctioned free speech. Boycotting an entire government over something that they don't even control is ridiculous.

i think you guy's should check this site http://www.supportdenmark.com/

for my self i think everyone should have the right to express him self

nighthawk wrote:

Samppa wrote:It's not the cartoons, it's the stuff they are told is true in western countries, which are not.

What is not true about the Western reporting of the issues?

I should make this more clearer as it's basically everything I'm trying to tell here..
There are people in the middle east who are provoking the masses to go protest on the pretence of the cartoons. They are in it for ther own gain. The masses are told that the west hates them, makes fun of them continuously, and the cartoons are shown as proof.

nighthawk wrote:

Samppa wrote:This cartoon protest has nothing to do with the cartoons except that they gave the protest leaders the excuse to get the masses moving. They're burning stuff and boycotting danish products because the cartoons provided an ample opportunity for these leaders to divide the two cultures further and get more terrorists.

And that's a good thing? You're basically agreeing with me that it's a pointless thing to get up about. And using something as 'harmless' as this (because lets face it, no one was hurt until the fundamentalists started torching everything) to stir up trouble is not good.

I'm agreeing to something here?

nighthawk wrote:

And to compare an alabaman hick with the largest newspaper in Denmark is ridiculous.

No, both are private entities that are allowed their own governmentally sanctioned free speech. Boycotting an entire government over something that they don't even control is ridiculous.

I'm sure by government you mean country when talking about 'Boycotting an entire government'.
The difference is an alabaman hick is not read by over a million people.



Everyone should be able to express themselves, but why should you have to make fun of the beliefs of others, however innocent and 'harmless' that expression is? The cartoons proved nothing, did not make a point and were in poor taste.

Well: Your rights are restricted with the rights of other person, so the cartoons are a slap to the islamic world and relationship with the non-islamic part of the world.

Samppa wrote:I should make this more clearer as it's basically everything I'm trying to tell here..
There are people in the middle east who are provoking the masses to go protest on the pretence of the cartoons. They are in it for ther own gain. The masses are told that the west hates them, makes fun of them continuously, and the cartoons are shown as proof.

Oh, I understand now.

Samppa wrote:I'm sure by government you mean country when talking about 'Boycotting an entire government'.
The difference is an alabaman hick is not read by over a million people.

That doesn't matter, they both have the same rights.

Samppa wrote:The cartoons proved nothing, did not make a point and were in poor taste.

I hate to say this, because so many people say it so often it loses any value, but that's your opinion. While I believe the same as you do in regards to its value, you can't ban something because you believe it's pointless. You ESPECIALLY can't ban it when you allow the amount of free speech Denmark allows.

nighthawk wrote:

Samppa wrote:I'm sure by government you mean country when talking about 'Boycotting an entire government'.
The difference is an alabaman hick is not read by over a million people.

That doesn't matter, they both have the same rights.

But still the reciprecations are different. There would be no protest if some hick said it, as at the most it would make a local newspaper with the title "Local man makes fun of Islam!", whereas in the case of a cartoon in a big newspaper (and a crazy imam), you have a recipe for 'unrest'.

nighthawk wrote:

Samppa wrote:The cartoons proved nothing, did not make a point and were in poor taste.

I hate to say this, because so many people say it so often it loses any value, but that's your opinion. While I believe the same as you do in regards to its value, you can't ban something because you believe it's pointless. You ESPECIALLY can't ban it when you allow the amount of free speech Denmark allows.

And I hate you for saying it
But still, people are defending the cartoons because of 'free speech' when, in my opinion, they have nothing to do with free speech but one man's (or team's) opinion of humour. The only thing I see in the cartoons is another misinterpretation of the islamic religion and yet another part of the media opened up to spreading the 'All religions other than christianity are advocating terrorism' crap, which again, in turn, fuels the contrast between the two cultures.


Altough, now that the cartoons are long printed and re-printed I do stand up for the free speech argument, altough I don't agree with the manner it's displayed (ie. the cartoons were all about free speech).
What I don't want to see in any democracy is the head of government apologising on behalf of the media to the islamic world, which unfortunately and highly regrettably, happened here in Finland when the pictures were found on a finnish server. In no time, the prime minister was licking the boots of the islamic community..

Samppa wrote:And I hate you for saying it
But still, people are defending the cartoons because of 'free speech' when, in my opinion, they have nothing to do with free speech but one man's (or team's) opinion of humour. The only thing I see in the cartoons is another misinterpretation of the islamic religion and yet another part of the media opened up to spreading the 'All religions other than christianity are advocating terrorism' crap, which again, in turn, fuels the contrast between the two cultures.

You forget that freedom of speech ties in with freedom of expression, and this means the right to find what you want to find funny, funny. Now, whether this is right or not is another matter, but the fact of the matter is that the law can protect your rights pretty well, even if you're being an a**hole.

On another note, I remember seeing a post about cartoons in Islamic newspapers depicting the ex-Israeli leader of eating children etc. He is not the symbol of the Jewish nation. This cartoon (although religiously fueled) is in NO WAY religious in nature, and is not mocking the Jewish religion, but merely the Israeli people.

I would hazard a guess that it would be pretty hard to find an Islamic published cartoon depicting Jesus or somesuch other Christian/Jewish holyman, and mocking him. The outburst would be phenomenal. Yet we have the guts to debate about whether its "okay" to publish such derogatory cartoons of a man who is respected by millions as a messenger of God, who brings down his word.

Of course it is not okay!! But, it is legal. Simple as that in my view

Bandit

P.S. I am an Athiest.

BanditZA wrote:

Samppa wrote:And I hate you for saying it
But still, people are defending the cartoons because of 'free speech' when, in my opinion, they have nothing to do with free speech but one man's (or team's) opinion of humour. The only thing I see in the cartoons is another misinterpretation of the islamic religion and yet another part of the media opened up to spreading the 'All religions other than christianity are advocating terrorism' crap, which again, in turn, fuels the contrast between the two cultures.

You forget that freedom of speech ties in with freedom of expression, and this means the right to find what you want to find funny, funny. Now, whether this is right or not is another matter, but the fact of the matter is that the law can protect your rights pretty well, even if you're being an a**hole.

I have the freedom to moan

BanditZA wrote:On another note, I remember seeing a post about cartoons in Islamic newspapers depicting the ex-Israeli leader of eating children etc. He is not the symbol of the Jewish nation. This cartoon (although religiously fueled) is in NO WAY religious in nature, and is not mocking the Jewish religion, but merely the Israeli people.

I would hazard a guess that it would be pretty hard to find an Islamic published cartoon depicting Jesus or somesuch other Christian/Jewish holyman, and mocking him. The outburst would be phenomenal. Yet we have the guts to debate about whether its "okay" to publish such derogatory cartoons of a man who is respected by millions as a messenger of God, who brings down his word.

Of course it is not okay!! But, it is legal. Simple as that in my view

Aye.

Samppa wrote:I have the freedom to moan

Indeed, and the law protects you accordingly. Even if what you saying is totally moronic and devoid of any intellectual proccess whatsoever, you have that right, and you are perfectly welcome to excersise that right.

ofcourse, remember what i said about the law and a**holes lol

Bandit

I think the Muslim Hacktivists overreacted, that whole thing is ridiculous
anywayz here are the jyllands-posten appologies LOL

http://www.jp.dk/udland/artikel:aid=3544992:fid=11328/

BanditZA wrote:On another note, I remember seeing a post about cartoons in Islamic newspapers depicting the ex-Israeli leader of eating children etc. He is not the symbol of the Jewish nation. This cartoon (although religiously fueled) is in NO WAY religious in nature, and is not mocking the Jewish religion, but merely the Israeli people.

Being as though Israel is the only Jewish state, and it is their stated goal to protect the religion of Judaism, you make fun of Israel- you're making fun of Jews.

I am muslim. And those cartoons are really offensive. But I really dont understand this over reaction. They are just cartoons. I think radicals are trying to use it for their own purposes. Damn radicals in all religions... They are the evil ones

i'm also a muslim i'm not disappointed or against those cartoons. Beacuse we can't compare any religion in this world.