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al_tyranny wrote:Yesterday, I was listening to Air America on my radio as I went home, and the host was talking about Google's refusal to hand over records of searches made on their website.(in the US)

http://forums.phoenix-hosting.org/viewtopic.php?t=1481

Recently google just established a Chinese version of google, in a attempt to gain the market share of the growing online market of China. However, they are complying with the Chinese government's request to censor the searches.

"This is a real shame," said Julien Pain, head of Reporters Without Borders' Internet desk. "When a search engine collaborates with the government like this, it makes it much easier for the Chinese government to control what is being said on the Internet."
Google is cooperating with China's government at the same time it is battling the U.S. government over a subpoena seeking a breakdown of one week's worth of search requests _ a list that would cover millions of terms.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/24/D8FBCF686.html

krod wrote:Recently google just established a Chinese version of google, in a attempt to gain the market share of the growing online market of China. However, they are complying with the Chinese government's request to censor the searches. Does this seem ironic to anyone? They refuse to hand over search records to the US, and yet support communism in a way.

Handing over search records is not the same as censoring. In addition, any IT company that wants to do any business in China will have to follow their laws. It's not supporting communism or anything else, it's just business. Microsoft did it. Yahoo! did it. And there's nothing wrong with it.

And Google would be stupid to not try and get some of China's market share, there are the fastest growing online presence I think.

Microsoft did it. Yahoo! did it. And there's nothing wrong with it.

Yahoo! has no search engines optimized for china yet (They have partnered with someone, allowing them to use their search technology however). MSN has a beta version and it does NOT censor data. However, they do censor it's blog service.

Does in anyone know how controlled it already is there? I thought that the goverment alreay censored things through ISP's...

They could, but to be honest I don't know much about it.

Yahoo! has no search engines optimized for china yet

I think you can use yahoo mail (which is censored) in China. But I may be wrong. [Source]

MSN has a beta version and it does NOT censor data.

"Google's decision rankled Reporters Without Borders, a media watchdog group that has sharply criticized Internet companies including Yahoo and Microsoft Corp.'s MSN.com for submitting to China's censorship regime." - CNN

Anyways, Google does this already in France and Germany - they censor searches related to the Nazis to comply with laws.

Antirem wrote:Does in anyone know how controlled it already is there? I thought that the goverment alreay censored things through ISP's...

Yes, but it also helps when the people providing content help censor too. Then you have less chances of leaked information.[/quote]

Ironic.
On the one hand, Google's heroic for NOT giving in to the U.S. government.
On the other, they're cowards for giving into the Chinese government.

nighthawk.. do you know what they censor?.. never knew bout the nazi stuff

nighthawk.. do you know what they censor?.. never knew bout the nazi stuff

In Germany and France they censor sites that advocate Hitler and the old Nazi regime. (AKA neo-Nazism)

The 'second generation' of Nazi believers, the term is used to refer to philosophies and groups who espouse the core of the beliefs and philosophies of the Third Reich

antirem wrote:nighthawk.. do you know what they censor?.. never knew bout the nazi stuff

It was from the article I linked above.

People - one question - how kind of relation is between the neo-Nazsizm & Google in China?

Google filters neo-Nazism in Germany and France, as Google filters political sites and more in china

In a nutshell..
China has, in effect, a huge 'firewall' in place which blocks attempts at searching for stuff like democracy and freedom of speech (or something like that)

So google complied to the rules, because
a) Crap google is better than no google
b) China would still censor everything and google would be slower, and
c) China is a great market opening.



tbh, I think google have a right to censor their material, if you have the know-how you can proxy your way past the ISP blocks in China making them obsolete, and every kiddie can learn that.

Bugs42 wrote:Ironic.
On the one hand, Google's heroic for NOT giving in to the U.S. government.
On the other, they're cowards for giving into the Chinese government.

They're not cowards at all. If they want to get buisness from China they have to play by the chinese rules. The censorship power in China is like nothing we've seen here. In other words if China and Google don't get along, the people in China don'tget to use google because chances are the government would block it. If google wants a part of China's buisness it's going to HAVE to play by thier rules.

just a short comment, i am disappointed at google for this route they're taking. this can related to a discussion me and brother talked about the other day that....China is gonna pwn us soon if we dont watch out

though we got nuclear and bad ass stuffs but look at the things you're wearing and using daily.... what are the percentage that made from china...taiwan...hongkong ?