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I was reading TIME magazine today, and they had a story about Bush's growing disproval rating. I was agaisnt the war in Iraq from the start due to the false pretenses, and it seems the majority of the people (about 60%) seem to be in the same boat as me. Bush also seems to be caving in with his escape plan from Iraq. Anyone here for the war that also approves of what Bush was doing? Is this a flip flop? Are you flip flopping? Is flip flopping really so bad?

What do you expect Americans to think when they hear that Americans are dieing in iraq every day ;-\

blair is becoming more unpopular too because of the iraq war too

bockman wrote:I was reading TIME magazine today, and they had a story about Bush's growing disproval rating. I was agaisnt the war in Iraq from the start due to the false pretenses, and it seems the majority of the people (about 60%) seem to be in the same boat as me. Bush also seems to be caving in with his escape plan from Iraq. Anyone here for the war that also approves of what Bush was doing? Is this a flip flop? Are you flip flopping? Is flip flopping really so bad?

It was forseeable, Bush doesn't care about americans and international community. He's only interested in oil, power and his own benefits.

Yeah, Bush loves power. And to him nothing care. He just thinking about him self and nothing more... But when election day will come he will say that to him care everyone ppl in America... Everyone can lie but, lie legs are short. (Lithuanian sense) :-D

In my opinion,
Popularity polls at this stage in the game are irrelevant. Nothing else is required of any president in the second term. Popularity polls on whether or not we should have been in Iraq to begin with are irrelevant as well, because we are in there now. And now, if we were to pull out, you create a worse situation then before.

Me and several hundred friends of mine protested his most recent innauguration, fighting with riot cops, getting pepper sprayed, storming security checkpoints, great fun. obviously, i do not approve of bush.

What Bush or his government is doing, "cutting the branches & stems". They are not doing anything with the root. Because if they cut the root they wont be able to take advantage of the whole situation.

Instead of cutting the branches, terrorism should be killed by killing or satisfying the root causes.

We didn't need the Iraq war from the begining. Bush government wanted a Regime change, they already knew that there was nothing but Oil and thats what they went after. But unfortunately, Iraqis did not prove to be soft bite for Bush Administration.

War is the worst thing one can imagine. I am in complete sympathy with the families of the American soldiers who died or dying in Iraq as well with the families of innocents Iraqis killed in the war.

najum wrote:I am in complete sympathy with the families of the American soldiers who died or dying in Iraq as well with the families of innocents Iraqis killed in the war.

Don't forget the other solders and all the ppl who tried to work there. They are victims of this madness as well .

najum wrote:Bush government wanted a Regime change, they already knew that there was nothing but Oil and thats what they went after.

Which is why we have actually slowed Oil Production in Iraq, and the army has to actually IMPORT oil into Iraq right now?

Believe or not, the majority of our oil comes from Canada with 1,616 barrels of crude oil per day from our friends up North. Want a war for Oil? Then we should have invaded the oil rich Saudi Arabian pennisula. Or Venezuela. Or Mexico. Or Nigeria. Or Angola.

All of those countries export more gasoline then Iraq does/has.

I'm not into this kind of stuff, but I'm pretty sure Iraq had a much larger oil production than Mexico, Venezuela or Nigeria - the problem was, none of it came to the US - 99% of Iraqi oil went to France, China, and Russia.

About 30% of Iraq's oil went to North America, which is pretty consistent with overseas oil producers, since the bulk of Middle Eastern oil goes to Asia. 24% went to Europe, so we were all getting about the same amount.

Oil production reached it's highest after the Iran-Iraq war when the Food-For-Oil program was started.

Oh, and in regards to the importing I stated, I got some stats.

According to former Oil Minister Issam Chalabi, Iraqi refineries currently are operating at only 50 percent-75 percent of capacity, forcing the country to import around 200,000 bbl/d of refined products, at a cost of $200-$250 million per month.

Fame, fortune, power and oil is all he wants. Simple as that. He doesn't really care if it's costing someones's life. Of course American soldiers die in Iraq on daily basis but like they say, if you push a person so much that his back meets the wall, he'll surely punch you.

nighthawk wrote:Believe or not, the majority of our oil comes from Canada with 1,616 barrels of crude oil per day from our friends up North. Want a war for Oil? Then we should have invaded the oil rich Saudi Arabian pennisula. Or Venezuela. Or Mexico. Or Nigeria. Or Angola.

And of course American soldiers die in Iraq on a daily basis.

It's called a war!

We lost 53,700 people in one operation in World War 2 (Overlord) and have lost 2,133 (to date) people in Iraq. In Vietnam we lost 58,226 soldiers.

When you put it in context, looks like we are doing a fine good job at our little war.

Note: I am not a Bush supporter, I just dislike unjustified comments.

nighthawk wrote:

nighthawk wrote:Believe or not, the majority of our oil comes from Canada with 1,616 barrels of crude oil per day from our friends up North. Want a war for Oil? Then we should have invaded the oil rich Saudi Arabian pennisula. Or Venezuela. Or Mexico. Or Nigeria. Or Angola.

And of course American soldiers die in Iraq on a daily basis.

It's called a war!

We lost 53,700 people in one operation in World War 2 (Overlord) and have lost 2,133 (to date) people in Iraq. In Vietnam we lost 58,226 soldiers.

When you put it in context, looks like we are doing a fine good job at our little war.

Note: I am not a Bush supporter, I just dislike unjustified comments.

Excuse me but, I think that "a fine job" is not shown by a comparison of number of deads. In addition, you only count american deads, what about english soldiers or civil deads for example?

For now, we can't say if americans have done a good job because we can't see now all the postives and negatives effects of this war.

This war raised precariousness of the population (I'm thinking about water, health, electricity, insecurity, etc...) but in the other hand, peoples in Iraq are "free" (In my opinion I not consider now, that people in Iraq are totaly free... but it's another subject...).

I think that american soldiers (like frenchs in Ivory coast) didn't be enough prepared to manage foreign populations. Some americans soldiers commited exactions in Iraq, it's a "small detail" (can I say that...) but unfortunately it can be prejudicial for all americans, because all the world watch actions spending in Iraq. A possible consequence of this war can be a raise of extremism.

Conclusion : The ideology "to free Iraq from Sadam Hussein" or another reason like "to fight against terrorism" for example is not the only important thing to begin a war.
I think that prepare the rebuilding after and the manner of carrying out a war is as important. When I see the allocated budget for rebuilding and the allocated budget to do this war, it makes me fear...

But only history will say the truth.