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Eggie wrote:Now things are clear. Now i fully understand what mm want to say :) But you want to tell me, that I can`t screw up anything with your server, only my account? :)

Not directly, but that's an obvious consequence. =)

Not directly, but that's an obvious consequence. =)

Well I am glad to hear this. I will send my request for free shell hosting soon, don`t want to send it when I have 15 posts, i will wait a little. Just want to have eggdrop bot, and with your help guys, to learn to use shell, because I think that it is worth to know Thanks

Well, you can't learn using the shell with an SSH shell account. Better install a Linux or BSD system locally for learning.

mm_freak, I was just trying to give a simpler explanation to him -- he said he was afraid of shutting the whole system down. Wasn't it you who said to keep it easy for people new to Linux?

Hehe, yes I am new to linux. I had SuSe 9.3 but i screwed up something with graphix (the X server) and now i need to reinstall suse again. Other advanced linux users told me that SuSe is good for beginners.

And I didn`t mean to learn shell via SSH account, but to have will to learn shell from ebooks, because I want to do something with it, not just to have an eggdrop bot. I first need a shell account, and then i will set up my bot, and start learning it via pdf books. Then later I can do something with it. Currently I don`t have any ideas what shell can do, and what power it has

Eggie wrote:Hehe, yes I am new to linux. I had SuSe 9.3 but i screwed up something with graphix (the X server) and now i need to reinstall suse again. Other advanced linux users told me that SuSe is good for beginners.

Well. Sometimes I get to think that SuSE is less Linux than Windows. It's Windows with a Linux kernel. However, it's good to start with, but not to stick with.

Eggie wrote:And I didn`t mean to learn shell via SSH account, but to have will to learn shell from ebooks, because I want to do something with it, not just to have an eggdrop bot. I first need a shell account, and then i will set up my bot, and start learning it via pdf books. Then later I can do something with it. Currently I don`t have any ideas what shell can do, and what power it has :)

I think, you're misunderstanding the base concept of the shell design. The shell is the program that takes input (for example presents you with a command line and evaluates/executes your commands) and runs commands or programs; nothing more, nothing less. Eggdrop doesn't have anything to do with the shell or even the operating system. By perfectly knowing the Eggdrop, you still don't have any clue how to use a Linux-based operating system or the shell.

Edit: Actually you're not getting a shell, but a shell account; or even more precisely a server account with shell access.

Well, Eggie... welcome to the forums... but I do have to say, you obviously didn't read all the way through the info...

If your main intent for wanting one of these shell accounts is to have an IRC eggdrop, then you probably came to the wrong place. (I'm no admin or mod but I am a newer user who happened to read through everything - and "I want to have an eggdrop" is not a good reason for wanting a shell account...that's more of a bonus.)

Well, Eggie... welcome to the forums... but I do have to say, you obviously didn't read all the way through the info...

If your main intent for wanting one of these shell accounts is to have an IRC eggdrop, then you probably came to the wrong place. (I'm no admin or mod but I am a newer user who happened to read through everything - and "I want to have an eggdrop" is not a good reason for wanting a shell account...that's more of a bonus.)

Well there didn`t say that you can`t have an eggdrop bot. I must say that I don`t know anything about shell, and want shell only for my bot. If i can`t get it, then say me you can`t or your request is refused, search on other places. Respect!

I apologize for my statement. It is true, you can have an eggdrop - but if your sole intention was for eggdrop that's what I meant.

There are a few things you can do with a shell account.

For example, I personally am going to be working on creating a website to help find my mom. Shell accounts are pretty cool. And you can learn quite a bit from them.

pimpdawny wrote:For example, I personally am going to be working on creating a website to help find my mom. Shell accounts are pretty cool. And you can learn quite a bit from them.

Actually a shell has very little to do with web-pages or anything related to it. And you can't learn much with a shell, because it's not intended to teach you anything. It's there to be used to start programs, move files around - all the things you would normally do with Konqueror or the Windows Explorer.

There is a very common misconception about shells.

I think that I understand the concept of a shell account. It is like a windows`s cmd, but you connect remotely to the Unix (server) machine. And you can do as described mm_freak