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for a while now ive been interested in computer programming and stuff. and when i started to try and find out more about it o nthe web i was blown away by all the of diffrent languages you could learn. i know a little html and a little javascript, like eneogh to make a very colorful irritaiting website that has something popup over and over. Next i wanted to learn some C which doesent really have anything to do with web programming i don think though it may and i may be wrong. any suggestions on what programming languages i should learn to make cool websites?

php, cgi, css

Depends on what you are going to do with it. A web designer/programmer has no benefit of learning C. A game programmer on the other hand doesn't benefit from PHP or Perl.

web developmet,

basics: html then to css
advance: php,asp,cgi...etc...

if you like animation in your site, try flash/swish
you might also want to learn photoshop.

More advanced learning curv.. (web based)

After learning basics of HTML, CSS2, and Javascripting

Pick a Server Side Language
JSP, ASP, PHP, PERL, RUBY, PYTHON .. whatever.

Then get to understand W3 Standards: Kinda go in this order..

edit:DOM(document Object Model), XML, XSLT, SOAP, XHTML, SMIL

Other things along the way
AJAX(dont yell I know its not a standard or a language), xmlhttprequest

Then you too can create the most beautiful websites. Oh not mention, being able to lock down your scripts from XSS. f-retards.

goose wrote:Pick a Server Side Language
JSP, ASP, PHP, PERL, RUBY, PYTHON .. whatever.

ASP (by Microsoft...) is not a single language, but rather an interface to many languages (which Microsoft believes to be okay to support). Don't use it. Don't even learn it. Choose PHP or a stand-alone language like Perl, Python or Ruby. I prefer TCL, but that's a matter of taste.

goose wrote:DOM(dynamic Object Model), XML, XSLT, SOAP, XHTML, SMIL

DOM stands for Document Object Model.

goose wrote:AJAX(dont yell I know its not a standard or a language), ...

Please don't even mention non-standard things. By that you support proprietary server-software and browsers. Compare some web-sites in IE and in Firefox, then you'll see what I mean.

mm_freak wrote:

goose wrote:AJAX(dont yell I know its not a standard or a language), ...

Please don't even mention non-standard things. By that you support proprietary server-software and browsers. Compare some web-sites in IE and in Firefox, then you'll see what I mean.

AJAX isn’t proprietary, its just a method of xmlhttprequest client side scripting. AJAX is loose term used for a couple years. Examples of client side xmlhttprequests would be http://reader.google.com. Watch how the page doesn’t fully reload. Only innerhtml objects of SPAN objects are rewritten and cleared on the fly based on xml inputs. Its just cool programming.

Note: Its important to understand how powerful javascripts really are.. especially when combined with some XSS exploitation..

http://www.betanews.com/article/CrossSite_Scripting_Worm_Hits_MySpace/1129232391

well, here we go....

do the design of your site using html (or xhtml, as this will be used a lot in the future)

css can help with fonts, scrollbars, layouts etc


for clever coding, use a language, such as perl, asp, and one i feel is the best, php


any information u need to collct can be stored in a mysql database, which is used alongside php, and can be very useful. javascript is simialr to php, but the source of the script can be seen, so your scripts are not secure.

mikey1090 wrote:do the design of your site using html (or xhtml, as this will be used a lot in the future)

HTML, and especially XHTML are not intended to be designed with. They are markup languages, getting stricter with each release. The next few XHTML revisions will remove layout attributes/tags completely, and will be reduced to a pure and true markup language. The actual layout will be done with styling languages like XSL(T) and CSS.

mikey1090 wrote:css can help with fonts, scrollbars, layouts etc

No, it can not help with scrollbars. This is a Microsoft extension, and nobody should use it.

mikey1090 wrote:for clever coding, use a language, such as perl, asp, and one i feel is the best, php

There is no clever language. Each language has its own intention. Also ASP is not a language, and should not be used anyway, because it's a Microsoft extension.

mikey1090 wrote:any information u need to collct can be stored in a mysql database, which is used alongside php, and can be very useful. javascript is simialr to php, but the source of the script can be seen, so your scripts are not secure.

Sorry for this kind of terminology, I've never used it before in these forums, but:

You are talking bullshit!

If you don't have proper understanding of the in-depth stuff, then please just don't post! You don't even seem to understand the difference between PHP and JavaScript.

use DENWER, people